BlueDriver: No response from vehicle

[bradleydavidgood777]

Hi,

I am able to use my BlueDriver scan tool on my other car (CRV) no problem.

On the 2017 i-MiEV, I am able to connect via bluetooth to the sensor, but then within the BlueDriver app on the phone, I hit connect, and get "No response from vehicle".

This is with the car in the run position but not started, as directed.

I've contacted BlueDriver support and they sent reset/retry instructions, which included deleting the app, forgetting the bluetooth device, etc. I followed all that twice and got the same error each time.

Anyone here using BlueDriver successfully on your i-miev?

Thanks!

 

[kiev]

Try getting into READY mode first.

 

[MickeyS70]

I am able to use my BlueDriver scan tool on my other car (CRV) no problem.

That’s no guarantee that it will also work on your car, unfortunately.

Anyone here using BlueDriver successfully on your i-miev?

I don’t remember anyone using this app/sensor successfully on a triplet. You may have a better outcome ditching the BlueDriver app and trying one of the ‘know to work’ apps with the BT sensor

https://myimiev.com/threads/smartphone-tablet-apps-for-i-miev-c-zero-and-ion.4936/

Using an Android device also seems to increase your chances..

 

[bradleydavidgood777]

Try getting into READY mode first.

I did, that didn't help, thanks

 

[bradleydavidgood777]

That’s no guarantee that it will also work on your car, unfortunately.

I don’t remember anyone using this app/sensor successfully on a triplet. You may have a better outcome ditching the BlueDriver app and trying one of the ‘know to work’ apps with the BT sensor

https://myimiev.com/threads/smartphone-tablet-apps-for-i-miev-c-zero-and-ion.4936/

Using an Android device also seems to increase your chances..

Thank you!

I ordered the

OBDLINK MX+​

Because I don't have Android anything.

Then I'm going to install Car Scanner pro.

Thanks!

 

[MickeyS70]

Because I don't have Android anything.

Let us know how you get on with the OBDLink MX+ as iOS devices (iirc) usually require a WiFi OBD dongle to connect to a triplet?

 

[hjdlsnbc]

Because there is no explanation here for what is happening and this topic could be mostly useless in sort of wide knowledge, lets add some additional information here.

Electric cars do not talk the protocol from old, inefficient vehicles using some outdated technology burning things and making useless noise while doing so.
That old protocol is named OBD. Like the name of the connector type that is been used in the imiev. Here two short texts written about that:
https://github.com/fr3ts0n/AndrOBD/...ndrobd-support-additional-non-obd-sensor-data
https://github.com/fr3ts0n/AndrOBD/issues/231

The imiev is using 3 different ways to communicate.
1. J2534 (not J2534-2) https://blog.obd2.ltd/j2534-explained-what-you-need-to-know/
2. CAN
3. K-Line

I cant find any source code of BlueDriver to be able to read what its doing.

I do not understand why you now spend that much money for a OBDLink MX+ and go again with some closed source third party tool named Car Scanner pro.

What is your goal you want to achieve?

https://myimiev.com/threads/overvie...ters-their-functionality-and-the-future.5719/

If you just want to fix something on your car, then use original Mitsubishi MUT 3 SE software. That software is developed by Mitsubishi and you drive a Mitsubishi. I do not understand why people forcefully try to spend as much money as possible to get the lowest possible result out of that investment instead of getting at first the original Mitsubishi software and only if this is not enough, only then search for other tools.

 

[MickeyS70]

Because there is no explanation here for what is happening and this topic could be mostly useless in sort of wide knowledge, lets add some additional information here.

OP asked a question and some of us are trying to help; isn’t that what forums are about?

I do not understand why you now spend that much money for a OBDLink MX+ and go again with some closed source third party tool named Car Scanner.
What is your goal you want to achieve?

Seems pretty obvious; @bradleydavidgood777 wants to connect to his I-MIEV using an iPhone

I do not understand why people forcefully try to spend as much money as possible to get the lowest possible result out of that investment instead of getting at first the original Mitsubishi software and only if this is not enough, only then search for other tools.

Nobody is ‘forcing’ anyone to do anything here, it’s about providing enough information so everyone can make up their own mind.

As it happens I finally managed to get MUT3-SE to connected to my I-MIEV via the “Lexia” cable. It took me a couple of hours to download and install the various files and patches on a spare win 10 laptop by following @Rational 's guide:

https://myimiev.com/threads/im-buying-a-non-runner-miev-here-in-japan.5649/post-50987

I agree, its functionality (not the GUI though) is far superior to any triplet diagnostic tool I have used before.

But not everyone has need, time, knowledge and a spare laptop for this kind of setup. ‘Understand’ it or not, for ease of installation, versatility and portability, most will prefer spending a few quid on a 3rd party app/OBD dongle solution.

 

[bradleydavidgood777]

The reason I bought that one was stated before, I have no android.

The goal is very simple and obvious, to read codes.

I bought something right off the list that was in the thread that I was directed to, and now you are acting like I made some mistake.

Nothing in that thread said it doesn't work. Just the opposite.

What alternative do you suggest?

 

[MickeyS70]

Nothing in that thread said it doesn't work. Just the opposite.

There isn’t much experience regarding the ODBLink MX+ and iOS but the fact that it’s Bluetooth only may be an issue when it comes to using it with an iMiev.


Some users have reported problems updating the FW
https://myimiev.com/threads/cant-get-my-obdlinkmx-to-connect-to-car.5471/

 

[hjdlsnbc]

Nobody is ‘forcing’ anyone to do anything here,

I do not know if its a language barrier here. This was not what i wrote.
I wrote:

I do not understand why people forcefully try to spend as much money as possible to get the lowest possible result out of that investment

To have the meaning of what you wrote, there have to be something like 'force person to do thing x'. But what i wrote is that 'people forcefully try to spend ...' . The wording is completely different. What i write is that its trying to achieve a thing with the wrong tool instead of choosing the correct tool.
The mechanics in the original Mitsubishi Service shop do not run with some OBDLinkMX+ and a iPhone around to fix Mitsubishi cars. They use original Mitsubishi software named MUT-3 SE.
So from the logic here this is the first way to go. The cheapest way to get there is by spending less then 20$ like i wrote.

via the “Lexia” cable

There is no Lexia cable. The Software that is been used about 15 years ago by Citroen was named Lexia. PP2000 was the Peugeot software from 15 years ago.
Its like when you name the charging cable of a Lenovo Computer running Windows the "Microsoft cable". It would be great to use the correct wording so that other people do not learn the wrong words for the tools because otherwise those tools would be named wrong forever.
To make it more clear: Following the logic the cable would have now to be named MUT-3 SE cable and not Lexia cable because its been used by you to run MUT-3 SE and not Lexia.

But not everyone has need, time, knowledge and a spare laptop for this kind of setup.

Nowhere its written that a spare laptop is needed. Just use any x86_64 Computer you like. It does not even have to be a laptop. When you have just one computer, then use this one. It was always your idea to use 'a spare laptop' and i do not understand why but its your choice to use a spare laptop. But do not tell to all people without telling the reason to do so why they have to use a spare laptop when they already have a laptop. You do not need two laptops.

The reason I bought that one was stated before, I have no android.

Okay, i can imagine why you understood that you think you have been pointed to do it that way. But the first sentence in the topic that was linked is
'With this thread, I'd like to try something new: identify all the smartphone diagnostic apps that work with our triplets'

I think you have seen on tv or live with your own eyes car workshops. At the manufacturer service station no one is running around with some smartphones in their hands to fix cars. Nearly all people there use the original software on some computers.

Yes, you can now try to use some third party app someone (not Mitsubishi) programmed on an iPhone that also have not been widely tested here in the forum. But this is hopefully understandably the worst combination - that cost you about 120$ in addition to the iPhone you already have payed for.
Instead you could spend less then 20$ and get the original Mitsubishi software the Mitsubishi service shops are using.
You could also use the same less then 20$ hardware tool to run other software like EvUtil that is probably as good as the smartphone tools.

 

[bradleydavidgood777]

I do not know if its a language barrier here. This was not what i wrote.
I wrote:

To have the meaning of what you wrote, there have to be something like 'force person to do thing x'. But what i wrote is that 'people forcefully try to spend ...' . The wording is completely different. What i write is that its trying to achieve a thing with the wrong tool instead of choosing the correct tool.
The mechanics in the original Mitsubishi Service shop do not run with some OBDLinkMX+ and a iPhone around to fix Mitsubishi cars. They use original Mitsubishi software named MUT-3 SE.
So from the logic here this is the first way to go. The cheapest way to get there is by spending less then 20$ like i wrote.


There is no Lexia cable. The Software that is been used about 15 years ago by Citroen was named Lexia. PP2000 was the Peugeot software from 15 years ago.
Its like when you name the charging cable of a Lenovo Computer running Windows the "Microsoft cable". It would be great to use the correct wording so that other people do not learn the wrong words for the tools because otherwise those tools would be named wrong forever.
To make it more clear: Following the logic the cable would have now to be named MUT-3 SE cable and not Lexia cable because its been used by you to run MUT-3 SE and not Lexia.


Nowhere its written that a spare laptop is needed. Just use any x86_64 Computer you like. It does not even have to be a laptop. When you have just one computer, then use this one. It was always your idea to use 'a spare laptop' and i do not understand why but its your choice to use a spare laptop. But do not tell to all people without telling the reason to do so why they have to use a spare laptop when they already have a laptop. You do not need two laptops.



Okay, i can imagine why you understood that you think you have been pointed to do it that way. But the first sentence in the topic that was linked is
'With this thread, I'd like to try something new: identify all the smartphone diagnostic apps that work with our triplets'

I think you have seen on tv or live with your own eyes car workshops. At the manufacturer service station no one is running around with some smartphones in their hands to fix cars. Nearly all people there use the original software on some computers.

Yes, you can now try to use some third party app someone (not Mitsubishi) programmed on an iPhone that also have not been widely tested here in the forum. But this is hopefully understandably the worst combination - that cost you about 120$ in addition to the iPhone you already have payed for.
Instead you could spend less then 20$ and get the original Mitsubishi software the Mitsubishi service shops are using.
You could also use the same less then 20$ hardware tool to run other software like EvUtil that is probably as good as the smartphone tools.

Lots and lots of words you write, too verbose.

I will ask again, what do you suggest that I get?

 

[hjdlsnbc]

I give information, you make decision based on this words or other words somewhere on that planet. If you find out something new that is not written somewhere publicly available, then you share your research results so that we all together can move on with our knowledge.
This is the basic behavior in a free as in freedom world.

I came for myself to the current conclusion, that the best solution for any Mitsubishi (i-miev and other Mitsubishi cars) is the original, unmodified MUT 3 SE software in combination with the OpenPort 2.0 adapter. This solution works of course also on the rebranded Mitsubishi cars named Peugeot iOn or Citroen C-Zero.
If someone would reverse engineer this software and make it Open Source, my decision could change. But at the moment this is the best combination i know off because you also can use that with other tools out there like for example EvUtil or the BMU flashing software from @kolyandex .
If you get the replicated OpenPort 2.0 adapter for less then 20$ with free worldwide shipment included from aliexpress or if you get the original one for about 200$ is your own decision.
The OpenPort 2.0 adapter also work with other car manufacturer original software, not just Mitsubishi MUT-3 SE.

Now make your decision on what you want and why you want it and do not expect other people to make decisions for you.

 

[bradleydavidgood777]

I give information, you make decision based on this words or other words somewhere on that planet. If you find out something new that is not written somewhere publicly available, then you share your research results so that we all together can move on with our knowledge.
This is the basic behavior in a free as in freedom world.

I came for myself to the current conclusion, that the best solution for any Mitsubishi (i-miev and other Mitsubishi cars) is the original, unmodified MUT 3 SE software in combination with the OpenPort 2.0 adapter. This solution works of course also on the rebranded Mitsubishi cars named Peugeot iOn or Citroen C-Zero.
If someone would reverse engineer this software and make it Open Source, my decision could change. But at the moment this is the best combination i know off because you also can use that with other tools out there like for example EvUtil or the BMU flashing software from @kolyandex .
If you get the replicated OpenPort 2.0 adapter for less then 20$ with free worldwide shipment included from aliexpress or if you get the original one for about 200$ is your own decision.
The OpenPort 2.0 adapter also work with other car manufacturer original software, not just Mitsubishi MUT-3 SE.

Now make your decision on what you want and why you want it and do not expect other people to make decisions for you.

I didn't ask you to make a decision for me, I asked what you would suggest that I get.

I don't want any more advice from you, I don't like anything about how you communicate, it's not friendly or effective in any way.

 

[MickeyS70]

I asked what you would suggest that I get.

If you want to ‘stick’ with iOS then test the ODBLink MX+ Bluetooth dongle with Car Scanner on your CRV first, then try the iMiev.

In the Android world, HobDrive (paid version) works with almost any dongle, not sure if that also applies for iOS but may be worth a try (even with your BlueDriver sensor).

If you get nowhere, I would return the OBDLink MX+, get a cheap ‘preloved’ Android device and use it with the BlueDriver dongle and either Car Scanner or HobDrive to read out DTCs..

@Rational made some great instruction videos (post #9)

https://myimiev.com/threads/smartphone-tablet-apps-for-i-miev-c-zero-and-ion.4936/

 

[bradleydavidgood777]

If you want to ‘stick’ with iOS then test the ODBLink MX+ Bluetooth dongle with Car Scanner on your CRV first, then try the iMiev.

In the Android world, HobDrive (paid version) works with almost any dongle, not sure if that also applies for iOS but may be worth a try (even with your BlueDriver sensor).

If you get nowhere, I would return the OBDLink MX+, get a cheap ‘preloved’ Android device and use it with the BlueDriver dongle and either Car Scanner or HobDrive to read out DTCs..

@Rational made some great instruction videos (post #9)

https://myimiev.com/threads/smartphone-tablet-apps-for-i-miev-c-zero-and-ion.4936/

Sounds like great advice, thank you!