i-MiEV and Lexia 3 and Diagbox

[JoeS]

From MickeyS70:

I’ve done a bit more in-depth testing of the Lexia/Diagbox clone (v7.58) I got a while back, here is what it can do with a 2011 built I-MIEV (pretending to be a Peugeot IOn or Citroen C-Zero)

- display tons of parameters for each ECU
- display and clear DCTs for each ECU
- customise some (limited) options (I could finally enable mirrors folding when remote locking)
- reset the traction battery’s capacity to 48Ah (found out by accident)
- adjust capacity by changing age of battery (not linear)
- perform battery calibration procedure (plug in, automatic discharge & recharge)
- program new transponder/remote lock keys (not tested yet)

What it cannot do, or maybe I just haven’t figured out how:
- cell smoothing (balancing)
- updating FW on any ECU (requires remote connection & activation)
- guided troubleshooting (requires remote connection & activation)
- access to service procedures and diagrams (requires remote connection & activation)

All in all a very powerful (and affordable) tool for the advanced user

 

[Mars]

Hi JoeS/All , i am a new member to this Forum with a Silver i-Miev. After the reading on several Forum i did buy a LeXia 3 clone from AliExpress China for 125 $ CND.
It did came quickly and i did try the Diagbox Software 7.01,7.02,7.57 but it was very very Slow on 2 differents Laptop and the usage was less that satisfactory so i was a bit dissapointed because there was several credential box and did not know what exactly what to answer and waisting my time. So i contacted the supplier and he did give me a Download Link to Diagbox 9.91 that run in a Win 7 32 bit virtual Machine on VmWare Workstation and the installation was much easyer on my Win 10 Laptop and the V9.91 run much faster and more ( up to date ) with more feature than the V7.57 version.

Did anyone has tried and got feedback on their usage.

Thank

Martial

 

[MickeyS70]

So i contacted the supplier and he did give me a Download Link to Diagbox 9.91 that run in a Win 7 32 bit virtual Machine on VmWare Workstation and the installation was much easyer on my Win 10 Laptop and the V9.91 run much faster and more ( up to date ) with more feature than the V7.57 version.

Did anyone has tried and got feedback on their usage.

Welcome to the forum

While later versions of Diagbox have generally more features theirs use is also much more restricted as most functions need server authentication.

I was told by another owner that there isn’t any point going further than V7.58 as there is no additional functionality for an I-MIEV. So what are you planning on doing exactly?

I run mine on an old win XP laptop which is a bit underpowered, but you can always install it on a virtual machine on your Laptop if you have a need for more speed…
Mickey

 

[hjdlsnbc]

I was told by another owner that there isn’t any point going further than V7.58 as there is no additional functionality for an I-MIEV

This is not the case with for example TPMS errors. With V7 you see unknown error codes and the DiagBox V7 have no clue what this is. V9 correctly show the error codes and what they are trying to tell you.

 

[hjdlsnbc]

To split up the conversation between diagbox and @kolyandex software tools, i answer to this from @MickeyS70 in this tread

Diagbox has the same functionality as the Mitsu MUT3, otherwise Peugeot/Citroën techs wouldn’t be able to support their i-MIEV clones.
But you’re correct, ‘out of the box’ the ‘free’ software only provides basic functionality. In order to use any advanced tools you need to sign up to PSA’s paid (annual?) subscription service.

This is not the case. Diagbox does not seem to be able to do at least any of the things i would like to do. To keep the things simple, i name now one thing i cant find how its done with Diagbox: Disable TPMS.
The topic about TPMS and imiev can be find here: https://myimiev.com/threads/tpms-on-i-mievs.1881

Here is a howto for disabling TPMS with Diagbox on other cars. The option is simply not there when using Diagbox with imiev.
https://lexia-3.blogspot.com/2016/03/how-to-disable-tpms-with-lexia-3-pp2000.html

It should be in ETACS -> Customer options -> Repair. But TPMS its not an option there.

I am using the versions of Diagbox released here: https://www.psa-diag.fr/diagbox/ or the even more easy to use virtual machines from here: https://psa-diag.fr/diagbox/Diagbox-vm.php

In order to use any advanced tools you need to sign up to PSA’s paid (annual?) subscription service.

What you are talking about is the so called "Telechrging". This have been cracked(made offline available) in version 7.57 you can fully use in the VM instead of having to fiddle around to get everything working on a Windows XP machine.
In version 9 and onwards Telechrging is not fully cracked any more. But it looks like you can pay third party instead of PSA to enable it when using https://www.psa-diag.fr/diagbox/ and paying them money to get so called credits for Telecharging.

For example with my goal of disabling TPMS i do not get into any options that are telling me i would have to do Telecharging to disable TPMS. Its simply not there in the options.

 

[MickeyS70]

It should be in ETACS -> Customer options -> Repair. But TPMS its not an option there.

The example you show for the Outlander is based on the PP2000 SW which was the predecessor.

In Diagbox TPMS settings for a triplet are apparently accessible via ETACS-ECU but theres seems to be no option to turn it off altogether. If you want to code a new set of wheels you need online access, see further information below

https://www.goingelectric.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29235

 

[Rational]

I am using the versions of Diagbox released here: https://www.psa-diag.fr/diagbox/ or the even more easy to use virtual machines from here: https://psa-diag.fr/diagbox/Diagbox-vm.php

hjdlsnbc, have you tried any of the alternative and/or newer virtual machines found here yet? https://mhhauto.com/Forum-Virtual-Pre-installed-Images

I'm curious if they're any better? I was able to dowload the french VM of 7.52 I think it was and got it up and runnning. Tried changing it to English and it totally broke it.

I found another old blogspot site of someone offering an English conversion tool for these images but the links are all dead now. Can't find the link at the moment but will share when I find it again.

Also, this sales page on aliexpress is saying there is no need for virtual machine images any more: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005921827174.html?

 

[MickeyS70]

Also, this sales page on aliexpress is saying there is no need for virtual machine images any more: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005921827174.html?

Be wary of installing anything directly onto a harddrive, the SW delivered with these clones are know to contain malware…

 

[Rational]

Thanks. Yeah, I'm only installing this stuff onto old dedicated laptops solely for this purpose. Safer that way and more likely to work. I can also label it and keep it in the garage for future use. Good to be forewarned though. Appreciate it.

I also just found what this website recommends for the correct adapters. I'll share this info in the other thread as well for others searching in the future.

 

[hjdlsnbc]

hjdlsnbc, have you tried any of the alternative and/or newer virtual machines found here yet?

There is no need for any alternative ones. In the ones listed here https://psa-diag.fr/diagbox/Diagbox-vm.php you can change the language of the Diagbox when modify the config file of Diagbox by hand.
When you instead install without any VM https://psa-diag.fr/diagbox to your drive, then you have Diagbox already english language by default when chosen this language before and in the OS you use.

 

[Rational]

Diagbox when modify the config file of Diagbox by hand.

I'd be interested in how to modify the config file if you can share the exact details.

But I also figured out how to change the language of Diagbox by clicking on the top left GUI drop down arrow and selecting settings, then Language and choosing english. I'll try to post screenshots later to help out future users.

 

[Juanjo Madrid]

What it cannot do, or maybe I just haven’t figured out how:
- cell smoothing (balancing)

I try in the CMU screen and I think is only for information, when the charging is finish I see "Balancing" some cells with 4V1, and the others, say "Unbalanced" when not have 4V1.

 

[MickeyS70]

I try in the CMU screen and I think is only for information, when the charging is finish I see "Balancing" some cells with 4V1, and the others, say "Unbalanced" when not have 4V1.

I’ve observed the same, there doesn’t seem to be a balancing option in Diagbox, therefore assuming that it doesn’t exist in MUT3 either.

But HobDrive has a ‘cell smoothing’ screen, although it seems more miss than hit trying to get it to work.

 

[hjdlsnbc]

The developer of HobDrive told somewhere on the web himself that he have this cell smoothing function cloned out of MUT-3.

 

[Mars]

Hi All , i am like many other trying to eliminate the need to dealership/exorbiting cost while learning what can we really do with all the available tools/dongle/software at a reasonable cost. This forum is my best source yet and i will participate to my best sharing the experience.
To answer MickeyS70 i did buy several ( 4 ) I-Miev all 2012 over a 2 years period form 8000$ to 1000$ the latest i couldn’t resist at that price to be able to experiment to contribute.
Every time i come across another owner here in Montreal Canada i do share my contact info to tell them that i am ready to help them to diagnose their issue .
I can’t bare see people abandoning when the dealer tell them the price of parts if available so i am so glad that there is some contribution/ cooperation.
But i still struggle a bit differencing between the different option/ term , like i just learn about the different J3524 / OpenPort , i taught OpenPort was a software but luckily and good work of @Kolyandrex/ forum i did order the clone version Tactrix to test the capabilities of the EvUtil software.

Thanks to all keep sharing

 

[hjdlsnbc]

Using diagbox does not make much sense any more when you can have full access to MUT-3 SE for less then 20$ with free worldwide shipping using a OpenPort 2.0 clone.
Here a current overview about the adapters: https://myimiev.com/threads/overvie...heir-functionality-and-the-future.5719/unread
I do not know of a single function that diagbox could offer to the imiev that MUT-3 SE cant. Maybe someone else knows one.

@Mars when you have access to so many cars, could you please when you get your OpenPort adapter upload their ETACS config file using MUT-3 SE to here https://myimiev.com/threads/need-your-etacs-configuration-from-your-car.5715
and a overview of the parts build into them using EvUtil to here
https://myimiev.com/threads/need-your-screenshots-from-evutil-dtc-tab.5713/
That would be helpful to better understand the different models out there and develop better solutions.

 

[MickeyS70]

Maybe someone else knows one.

There are plenty of instructions/youtube videos out there that allow even lay people to successfully install Diagbox.

From what I can gather you seem to be the only one to have MUT-3/Openport clone combination working reliably.

I fully agree that MUT3 is the ‘gold standard’ for an I-MIEV, but if you need an IT degree and have to spend hours to get a 20$ clone talking, then it’s not really a solution for everyone..

I like your idea about the ETACS database btw, however if folks can’t get the tool to connect, then you won’t have many contributors.

 

[hjdlsnbc]

Your answer was a direct answer at my question if there is some functionality Diagbox offer that MUT-3 SE does not. But it does not contain any functionality difference. I am still interested into if someone find something Diagbox can that MUT-3 SE cant.

About the ability to run it: Where are you stuck getting MUT-3 SE running? Do you have a OpenPort 2.0 device?
You have read that you can run MUT-3 SE with the PSA interface you use with Diagbox when using the passthru driver addon from kolyandex? CAN functionality is then missing because not implemented by kolyandex. With CAN missing you could already read, modify and write the ETACS.

 

[Mars]

Using diagbox does not make much sense any more when you can have full access to MUT-3 SE for less then 20$ with free worldwide shipping using a OpenPort 2.0 clone.
Here a current overview about the adapters: https://myimiev.com/threads/overvie...heir-functionality-and-the-future.5719/unread
I do not know of a single function that diagbox could offer to the imiev that MUT-3 SE cant. Maybe someone else knows one.

@Mars when you have access to so many cars, could you please when you get your OpenPort adapter upload their ETACS config file using MUT-3 SE to here https://myimiev.com/threads/need-your-etacs-configuration-from-your-car.5715
and a overview of the parts build into them using EvUtil to here
https://myimiev.com/threads/need-your-screenshots-from-evutil-dtc-tab.5713/
That would be helpful to better understand the different models out there and develop better solutions.

Hi hjdlsnbc: yes i would like to upload / send ETACS files but i do not know where to get/download the MUT3-SE software.

I did order the clone Lexia 3 from Aliexpress and try to get familiar used of it but for some unknown reason it doesn’t communicate anymore to my laptop . The led do illuminates and i see the driver loaded/showing in Windows device Manager but DiagBox software say can’t connect to VCI . I think they said do not used if you are connected to the internet because it might be disabled. I have not upgrade nor change anything on that laptop before it suddenly quit but maybe i was connected to my home Wifi and got zap.

So i am trying to find info to test if it’s defective or flash disabled on some French forum .

 

[hjdlsnbc]

There are many sources to download MUT3 SE. On most you just enter this in a website search engine and you get many examples. Kolyandex himself is even one of the many download sources: https://forum.kolyandex.su/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=19

About your PSA VCI interface (you could use with MUT-3 SE without CAN functionality):
You tried out a VM from https://www.psa-diag.fr/diagbox/Diagbox-vm.php ? Get latest VM (at the moment 9.186 ), run it, connect then the PSA VCI to computer, confirm the popup box to connect the PSA VCI to the VM and then check the VCI firmware version and maybe reflash it. What you are writing about sounds a bit like firmware version does not work with diagbox version.