Boffingham
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Looking at a 2017 iMiev with less than 1000 kms

Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:25 pm

Hello iMiev owners,

This my first post here, I have been reading a lot about the iMiev and I am amazed at how many of them are still on the road here in Quebec, Canada, especially with our harsh winters.
A local Mitsubishi dealer has just listed a 2017 model with less than 1000 kms. Now if this was an ICE vehicle this would be quite a find. But shouldn't an EV have some decent mileage on it to exercise the battery somewhat? I am unsure as to the health of the battery and still more unsure on how to check it. Any tips would be appreciated before I go see the vehicle. Thanks! :D

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Re: Looking at a 2017 iMiev with less than 1000 kms

Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:44 am

Boffingham, welcome to the forum.

What a find! The car has spent its life just sitting there doing nothing.

You are correct, as a lot of the battery condition depends on how it was stored for these last four years. Typically, I would hope it was with the main battery stored somewhere at half-charge and not stored fully charged. This is unlike conventional lead-acid batteries, which should always be kept at full charge.

Since it is at a Mitsubishi dealership, they have the ability to test the battery pack to determine what its capacity is in ampere-hours as well as how well-balanced the individual cells are. For reference, a new battery has a measured capacity around 45Ah and the cell voltages should be within five millivolts of each other. I would expect them to give you a printout of the battery condition readings.

BTW, the 12v battery may need to be replaced, unless it was kept on a float charger all these years. The quiescent power draw of the Mitsubishi will discharge the 12v battery in about six weeks or less - simply because, among other things, the alarm system is active when the car is locked.

Wish you all the best!
EVs: Two '12 Wht/Blu SE Prem., '13 TeslaMS85, three 156v CorbinSparrowsLi(NMC), 24v EcoScoot(LiFePO4)
EV Conv: 156v '86 Ram PU, 144v '65 Saab96
Hybrids: 48v1kW bike
RIP(2021) ICE: Orig.Owner '67 Saab96V4, '88 IsuzuTrooper; '76 MBZ L206D RHD RV

Boffingham
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Re: Looking at a 2017 iMiev with less than 1000 kms

Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:56 am

Thank you JoeS for the reply! I hope to see it over the next few days and will report back what I find. It is completely overpriced but they may just want it off their lot as it has been there for quite a while. Cheers!

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Re: Looking at a 2017 iMiev with less than 1000 kms

Sat Sep 25, 2021 3:01 pm

My recently acquired 2012 iOn has done 16,000 miles but sat for over 2½ years at 80% SOC without being used at all until I fixed it. My battery shows 40.8Ah capacity. The RR (remaining range) shows between 70 and 81 miles when fully charged. I've driven it down to no bars showing and 2 miles RR without getting a turtle. I'd say that's pretty good for a 9 year old battery, the low usage and sitting for 2½ years doesn't seem to have caused any issues.

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Re: Looking at a 2017 iMiev with less than 1000 kms

Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:12 pm

40.8Ah after sitting 2 1/2 years at 80% SOC isn't just 'very good' - It's neigh onto a miracle! Usually, a car sitting at such a high charge for even a year would have lost much more than that - I have two cars to prove it

Don
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Boffingham
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Re: Looking at a 2017 iMiev with less than 1000 kms

Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:40 am

Good morning,

So the 2017 iMiev was conditionally sold but they have a 2012 SE with 55,000 Kms on it. Seems in pretty good shape both inside and out.
I took it for a drive and is showed almost a full charge and displayed a range of 75 Kms. A/C and heater works but as soon as I turned either on the Range indicator dropped dramatically. So a few questions please:

Its cold here in the winter, does the heater work well? I am not worried about range as it is just for short errands but i want my EV to keep me warm. Wearing an electric blanket does not cut it for me.
Would pre-conditioning work with a L1 connection? Right now I just have 110 volts in the garage. Does the car keep its traction battery warm? I am afraid of -25C days hurting the battery long term.

I could use a 110 volt heater to pre-heat the cabin and then use the car to keep me warm on my errands.

Thanks again, great forum!

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Re: Looking at a 2017 iMiev with less than 1000 kms

Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:16 am

Boffingham, too bad about that 2017...

First, the Range Remaining (RR) indicator prediction is based on how the car was driven for the preceding 15 miles (24km), and can thus vary all over the map. Sitting at a dealership I would expect this RR to be somewhat on the low side as most people like to leadfoot the car during a test drive. Turning on the heater decrements that RR approximately by 20% and turning on the aircon decrements the RR by around 10%.

In winter, preconditioning the car for about 15 minutes using the Remote (make sure the car has the Remote) is soooo nice, as you can either heat the car or both heat and defrost it as well. Yes, it works using 120vac but not as well as using Level 2 (240vac). Perhaps some of our northern friends can comment on this.

The heater in the i-MiEV is rather wimpy for very cold-weather climates. A number of owners have successfully inserted a diesel heater into the existing plumbing (there are a number of threads for this mod on this forum) - this mod makes a very big difference in winter comfort. That said, if you're just using the car for short errands, pre-heating it and running the heater + seat heater should work just fine as you don't care about losing range.

Come winter, most of us (even here in California) turn on the seat heater, as it consumes very little power compared to the main heater.

If the 2012 has CHAdeMO or the cold weather package then the cabin heat *I think* is automatically routed down to the battery, in addition to the aircon automatically turning on to cool the battery when using CHAdeMO. I'm a bit unclear on this, so perhaps someone can elaborate.

DCFC (dc fast charge) CHAdeMO is very highly desirable as it dramatically extends the usable range of our little i-MiEVs.

Oh, and don't forget to have the dealer give you a battery condition report. Edit: This 2012 car probably has the original LEV-50 cells and not the upgraded LEV-50N. Remember, the car's 10-year battery warranty will run out within the year, and there still is no one (that I'm aware of) in North America providing battery refurbishment, as buying a new main battery from Mitsubishi I believe is still cost-prohibitive.
EVs: Two '12 Wht/Blu SE Prem., '13 TeslaMS85, three 156v CorbinSparrowsLi(NMC), 24v EcoScoot(LiFePO4)
EV Conv: 156v '86 Ram PU, 144v '65 Saab96
Hybrids: 48v1kW bike
RIP(2021) ICE: Orig.Owner '67 Saab96V4, '88 IsuzuTrooper; '76 MBZ L206D RHD RV

Boffingham
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Re: Looking at a 2017 iMiev with less than 1000 kms

Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:31 pm

Thanks for all the info, the car does not have a remote, probably was lost over the years. Can I still pre-heat the car? Guess that just means getting in and starting the heater.

Here is the options list, It has the entertainment/GPS option, not sure if this really a must have on a 2012.

https://www.mitsubishicars.com/rs/file/monroney?vin=JA3215H16CU018997

There is 2014 ES for sale in Montreal, 3 hour drive, that has 75,000 KMS and a diesel heater but from the pics it looks a bit beat up compared to this one. Plus I don't think I can get it to a dealer to have the battery checked!

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Re: Looking at a 2017 iMiev with less than 1000 kms

Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:30 pm

Boffingham, this is the desirable SE Premium, with Nav and all the bells and whistles - and includes the CHAdeMO quick charge port.

If a dealer is selling it, you can make the Remote a condition of purchase. If you want to buy a new Remote, Mitsu will charge you over $800 for the unit and programming it (if they even have it). Without a Remote it is not possible to have the car plugged in and charging and run the heater or aircon at the same time. BTW, if you can find a used Remote you can program it yourself to mate with the car (there's a how-to post on this forum).

Make sure that your smart phone can pair with the car - I have two i-MiEV Premiums, one can, the other can't.

Has the dealer told you what the condition of the battery is?
EVs: Two '12 Wht/Blu SE Prem., '13 TeslaMS85, three 156v CorbinSparrowsLi(NMC), 24v EcoScoot(LiFePO4)
EV Conv: 156v '86 Ram PU, 144v '65 Saab96
Hybrids: 48v1kW bike
RIP(2021) ICE: Orig.Owner '67 Saab96V4, '88 IsuzuTrooper; '76 MBZ L206D RHD RV

Boffingham
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Re: Looking at a 2017 iMiev with less than 1000 kms

Wed Sep 29, 2021 5:56 am

Hi JoeS,

Yes it is the SE and seems to be well cared for. The dealer is no longer associated with Mitsubishi and the salesman has no idea about EVs. He shrugged his shoulders about the remote. LOL!

He agreed about me taking it for a battery test but is very disinterested otherwise. I have seen a few 2012 SE online but not so much in later years. Was it dropped?

Also the battery warmer was an included option, any thoughts on what that is?
Thanks!

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