Aerowhatt
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Re: Riversimple and Fuel Cell Discussions

Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:01 pm

Yeah, one doesn't have to look very deep into natural gas production and use to see that it is no less fraught with problems and environment issues equal to coal, nuclear, oil and all of it's refined products. It's being sold as a better alternative because there is money in it for someone.

IMO the only viable (long term) way to feed fuel cells is with electrolysis produced hydrogen from renewable electricity. A stationary fuel cell would not cause water usage issues since the almost pure water exhaust could easily be captured and put to use.

Like PV1 stated, all this stuff needs to be left where we found it period! Getting that done is like turning a super tanker by spraying one side of the bow with a squirt gun! :roll:

Fundamentals have to shift dramatically to save ourselves and our ecosystem. Economics has to learn to celebrate stagnate, sustainable success instead of constant growth. We need the global population to be 2 billion or less, going forward. The good of the people and the eco system has to be first and foremost in every corporate and political decision (globally). We are light years away from such a society. One that could survive and thrive in the long term. Fuel cells could be a very useful tool to such a society! In this one that we live in??

Aerowhatt
2014 cool silver ES, acquired new 4/2015 (42.7ah at ~26K miles)
2014 Labrador Black Pearl ES, acquired new 3/2016 (41.5ah at ~15k miles)

Aerowhatt
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Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:52 pm

Re: Riversimple and Fuel Cell Discussions

Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:37 am

Judging by some of the scattered projects capturing methane being produced by bio-waste, landfills, sewage treatment, live stock manure, and other ancillary "natural" sources, do we even need to be drilling for gas? Fuel cells offer distributed generation of electricity that can be scaled to the output of the fuel source. In large part this doesn't keep the CO2 from the methane out of the atmosphere. Haziers solution has the promise of mitigating some of the CO2.

However, it does keep the methane from escaping to the atmosphere. At 28 times worse than CO2 for climate change effects, that is a step in the right direction. Especially since the methane being produced as a byproduct of human waste (livestock, landfills, agriculture waste, all emitting methane) is almost all just escaping into the atmosphere (unmetered even) currently. From the projects in place, or studied, it is economically viable, perhaps even economically superior to current practice. Certainly if one considers the externalized economic costs to us all (climate change) for just letting it escape. It is very economically advantageous.

Sometimes we get to be too "purist" (for lack of a better term) and don't give rather inefficient solutions their due consideration. At the same time hundreds of millions of us don't think anything of buying and using ICE transportation which is generally less than 20% efficient overall.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... ogen-plant

http://www.powermag.com/fuel-cells-star ... rintmode=1

Aerowhatt
2014 cool silver ES, acquired new 4/2015 (42.7ah at ~26K miles)
2014 Labrador Black Pearl ES, acquired new 3/2016 (41.5ah at ~15k miles)

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