jray3
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Now MR BEAN won’t charge!

Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:51 pm

So last week the final payment on my 5 yr, 0% financing clears the bank and I’m waiting for the title to arrive free and clear while gorging on information here in Portland at the 11th annual EV Roadmap conference, and the wife sends this.. :o
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Place your bets, gentlemen, since according to my wife it goes into ready mode but lights up all the warnings and will not charge (but for one of three attempts and for less than a minute), I’m leaning towards a failing cell, perhaps a charger issue, but will pull codes and double check the 12V when I get home.... Also ordered an i-carsoft 909 clone of the MUT3.
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Re: Now MR BEAN won’t charge!

Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:21 am

For those of you who can't see it, the photo shows the READY light on, the battery symbol lit up, the tire with an exclamation point through it, and the car symbol with an exclamation point through it.

jray3, hopefully it's just the 12v battery (you might have jinxed it by bragging about it recently), but going into READY the dc-dc should have made it good....

What is this EV Roadmap Conference? Maybe start a new thread and tell us about it?
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Re: Now MR BEAN won’t charge!

Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:03 am

If it is an old, weak and worn out aux battery, then that's where i'm placing my bet.
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Re: Now MR BEAN won’t charge!

Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:20 pm

Yeah, when you wait for things to fail before you replace them, it usually happens to your wife when she's away from home and you're out of town - Been there, done that many, many yeas ago. Lesson learned!

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Re: Now MR BEAN won’t charge!

Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:42 am

Just a comment about the battery.

My 2012 had a weak battery and the car wouldn't start.

It was brought back to life by simply adding water to each cell.

It was very dry.

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Re: Now MR BEAN won’t charge!

Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:23 am

veimi wrote:Just a comment about the battery.

My 2012 had a weak battery and the car wouldn't start.

It was brought back to life by simply adding water to each cell.
. . . . and now that same, old, tired, worn out battery will have a second chance to let you down. Hopefully, it will happen one morning at home and not leave you stranded somewhere and, if you're really lucky, it will happen when you're not in a hurry to get someplace - Like when your wife's water breaks and you have to depend on a cab to get her to the hospital

As I mentioned earlier - A lesson learned a long time ago

It did give you a plain as day prediction of what will happen next, so you can't say you weren't warned . . . . .

IMO, it's a real shame to turn one of the most reliable cars on the planet into questionable transportation by trying to get another 6 months of use out of an old lead acid battery. You may think you're saving $5, but 6 months from now when you have to buy a battery quickly instead of shopping around for a week or so now, you may end up paying $25 more for a 'must get one today' replacement

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Re: Now MR BEAN won’t charge!

Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:30 am

Don wrote:IMO, it's a real shame to turn one of the most reliable cars on the planet into questionable transportation by trying to get another 6 months of use out of an old lead acid battery.

Don


My point was to demonstrate that adding water to the battery might provide a simple and zero cost diagnostic tool to verify or eliminate the battery as a contributor to this problem.

It would appear that you feel it would be better to shotgun diagnose the problem by immediately running out and buying a new battery.

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Re: Now MR BEAN won’t charge!

Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:38 am

veimi wrote:My point was to demonstrate that adding water to the battery might provide a simple and zero cost diagnostic tool to verify or eliminate the battery as a contributor to this problem.
My apologies - You didn't make that very clear

Another lesson learned - Thank you

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Re: Now MR BEAN won’t charge!

Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:49 am

Don, I will gladly take your barbs and freely admit when I’m wrong, and I wouldn’t have expected anything less when making such a post. However I’ve tested my house battery once again and found it to be good, but I knew that if I resort to the dealer they will want to replace it as well, so I went ahead and replaced it with a brand new May 2018 manufactured BCI-151R.
No change in the symptoms.

Luckily I turned in a different core and can now see how long the original battery lasts cranking my garden tractor!!

Also, I opened the upper dc-dc box (on left site with 6 bolted tabs and two toroidal magnets inside) and confirmed that fuse as good, like all fuses in the cabin and under-hood fuse boxes, but there is no voltage present on the dc-dc leads with the car turned on or off.. Now waiting for the MUT clone to arrive today. A conventional OBD tool reported a communication error.

(PS- the TPMS warning is simply because I’m on my summer set of wheels and didn’t re-synch the sensors after winter).
Last edited by jray3 on Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:19 am, edited 2 times in total.
2012 i-SE "MR BEAN" 91,000 miles
2000 Mazda Miata EV, 78 kW, 17 kWh
1983 Grumman Kurbwatt EV,170 kW, 32 kWh
1983 Mazda RX-7 EV 43 kW 10 kWh
1971 "Karmann Eclectric" EV 240 kW 19 kWh
1965 Karmann Ghia Cabriolet

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Re: Now MR BEAN won’t charge!

Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:47 pm

Ok, thanks to the wealth of knowledge on this forum, I found the blown fuse in the inverter, ....which feeds the DC-DC? Now to find a couple of PEC 20A DC450V, expecting to blow another and show some internal fault...
Thank you KiEV viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3897&p=35473&hilit=Failed+dc+dc#p35473
2012 i-SE "MR BEAN" 91,000 miles
2000 Mazda Miata EV, 78 kW, 17 kWh
1983 Grumman Kurbwatt EV,170 kW, 32 kWh
1983 Mazda RX-7 EV 43 kW 10 kWh
1971 "Karmann Eclectric" EV 240 kW 19 kWh
1965 Karmann Ghia Cabriolet

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