bradleydavidgood777
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I have a secret - odometer display mystery

Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:54 am

and a mystery....

Last August when I went to look at the used i-Miev that I now own, the advertisement said it had 14,702 miles on it. (2017 model). When I drove it, I cycled thru the odometer button and indeed saw that number. I think it actually was the exact number, which was a hint that no one else even test driven it for a while...which is why I ended up offering $10k (listed price was $13,900 I think). Anyway, only one week later, when I went back to purchase the car, the odometer said 450 miles. I cycled thru the different options about 3 times because I couldn't believe it. Even if some kind of reset was done unintentionally, how could someone have put 450 miles on it in just one week? Just sounded really strange. I said nothing. The paperwork came out and all of it said 14,702. I said nothing and drove away. Now the car has somewhere between 3-4k on it. And I recently took it to the dealer here for the airbag thing so the records are now showing the new 3000 something at this point. I was wondering if somehow the Mitsu database would find the difference, or if some PA state government database would notice the difference, for example, looking for rollbacks or whatever. But nothing.

So I continue to say nothing and just keep driving. :)
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Re: I have a secret

Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:58 am

Oh great... Next thing you'll let out the secret that Sandange didn't actually drive 92,000 miles in under four years and just rolled his odometer forward for bragging rights! :roll:

Curious to hear if an answer ever emerges, such as a replaced computer module, misplaced magnet, solar flare activity, neutron bomb, etc..
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Re: I have a secret

Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:41 pm

Are you sure it's the same car?

kiev
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Re: I have a secret

Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:12 am

Did you buy it from a dealer as a new car or a used car? If so maybe they reset it using the MUT3 tool to give you a "fresh" start on the mileage for warranty purposes. You get a barely used car with a nearly new warranty. They can't sell a car as new with 14k miles, and can't sell a used one with zero miles, hence the 450 starting point.
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Re: I have a secret

Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:39 am

kiev wrote:If so maybe they reset it using the MUT3 tool to give you a "fresh" start on the mileage for warranty purposes.

I'm pretty sure that's not a thing.

bradleydavidgood777
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Re: I have a secret

Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:50 pm

Pretty sure it was the same car. And it was sold as used.

It was out in the middle of PA and would not sell because most people commute very far to work - I kind of figured that and the sales guy actually told me that too.
So I don't think they would have had 2 and made a switch.
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Re: I have a secret

Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:43 pm

The MUT 3 tool is able to read and write data to all the ECUs on the car over the CAN buss thru the OBDII port. The combination meter that displays mileage is on the CAN buss to the EV-ECU, which stores the odometer reading (Data List Item #1) along with numerous other data items in memory and on EEPROM.

So the service manual procedure for replacing an ECU includes reading the stored values before replacement, and then writing back the values into the new ECU using the MUT3. The data shows up as numbers in a field of a PC monitor and can easily be edited just like anything on a computer screen.

i have a mut clone but it can only read data. i have been looking to buy a read/write version, but so far only dealers seem to have those.

If a car had never been titled but had lots of miles due to joy rides from potential buyers, then i believe anyone could use a MUT to easily reset the odo to any value. It may not be legal or ethical, but it certainly is a possible thing if you have the right tools and equipment.

Of course seeing is believing, and without pictures this thread is useless.
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Re: I have a secret

Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:21 pm

Is it possible they went by the service interval screen by mistake? There are a bunch of screens that are easily confused.

It would be tough for a 2017 to have 14,000 miles already, but I suppose it's possible.
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Re: I have a secret

Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:17 am

PV1 wrote:Is it possible they went by the service interval screen by mistake? There are a bunch of screens that are easily confused.

It would be tough for a 2017 to have 14,000 miles already, but I suppose it's possible.


This seems most likely--15,000 mile first service interval minus 300 miles driven gives 14700 showing. If the button is pressed and held it will turn off or clear the interval reminder (exact procedure is in user's manual).
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bradleydavidgood777
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Re: I have a secret

Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:26 am

Yea maybe that's it. Seems to make sense. After all, I had no idea what number was what when I was cycling thru. I just believed that the 14702 was the odometer because that's what was in the ad.
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