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Re: Want one, but cautious. Opinions please.

Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:21 pm

Not sure if it matters but I’m in Canada.


I'm in BC and I received the letter a couple of years ago extending my warranty to 160,000 km or 10 years.

Mine should be up in two years as I've got 115k on the car. I would recommend it. Cheapest car I have or will ever own

Pete

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Re: Want one, but cautious. Opinions please.

Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:33 pm

DamnHippie wrote:...It pains me a bit as I much prefer the look and 4way seating of the I-Miev, but think the Smart ED is the better option for my particular circumstances while considering possible future replacement parts...
Of the very few reasons to choose a SmartED over an i-MiEV, that would not be one in my book. If you want new parts, see -
http://myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3004

The small external size of the i-MiEV and huge internal volume (more than a Leaf) with a flat floor, coupled with DCQC, makes the i-MiEV a hands-down winner as a workhorse vs. the SmartED being strictly a two-person conveyance. The only advantage of a SmartED, IMO, if you're a city dweller, is the ability to squeeze into really tight parking spots.
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Re: Want one, but cautious. Opinions please.

Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:04 pm

Well, damn. Back as a strong possibility now !

Don, would love to sit in one, but have never seen one on the road. Anybody near DFW that wouldnt mind me sitting in theirs for 5 minutes, please let me know.

I very much prefer the I-Miev styling over the smart, personally. If the battery is covered for 10 years from the in service date, a 2014 would work well for my needs. I understand degradation, but complete failure is game over. The limited numbers scares me a bit for parts if an accident happens, but on 6k dollar car, any accident is likely to be a total loss anyway, so i can justify that risk.

I also like the OBD2 module/apps the car can employ. Smart has a good app too, but forums suggest getting a special code required for them to function is very difficult if not impossible on a preowned smart as its left for the previous owner to have deleted their account which often does not happen.

And to the poster that warned of Smarts BAP battery lease program, I have verified directly that all preowned sales are excluded now from honoring a previous owners contract. It became a huge sore eye for Mercedes.

We will be buying right around march/april (tax refund). I appreciate all the info everyone has provided. I am now heavily leaned to the I-Miev again as I was before thanks to this new found insight. Of course, If I hit the lotto, I'll probably have a Tesla Big-Rig for the 500 mile range.
Just saying...

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Re: Want one, but cautious. Opinions please.

Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:20 am

All used cars are a bit of a gamble - Some have a better history than others, so they are less of a gamble. IMO, the iMiEV is one of those

I guess it all comes down to what you need the vehicle to do. IMO, there's not much similarity between the iMiEV and the Smart ED. One is a true 'car' and can do almost everything most cars can do. Haul 4 people in relative comfort, fold down the seats and you have a mini-station wagon. We have a thread here somewhere about all the things people have hauled in their cars. For me, the big one was a 250 pound, 54" mower deck for my Kubota diesel garden tractor. The parts guy at the dealership said "You're never gonna get THAT in THERE" . . . . and then he came out to the parking lot to help me slide it in - I had measured carefully and knew beforehand it would fit fine . . . . otherwise I would have brought a different vehicle

The iMiEV is a car, and a really easy one to get into and out of, while IMO the Smart is more of a 'toy' - True, it will get one or two people where they need to go, but so will a motorcycle - That doesn't make it a car. Cars can do many other things . . . . haul lumber home, 10 bags of 80 pound Ready-Mix - Tie those on your motorcycle!

But, if it's just you and one other person and you never need to tote more around than your gym bag, it's sometimes neat to own a toy too. I've had several of them over the years which really could not justify their keep, but I still liked them ;)

Don
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Re: Want one, but cautious. Opinions please.

Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:52 am

The Smart is also not available with CHAdeMO at all. The boot is tiny, seats dont fold, and its a all bonded together with glue etc... so it's more of a toy/ fashion piece.

Also, when I looked at one, the quality of the rubberized trim was poor, already peeling off a 2 year old one.

Much less utility than an IMIEV...
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Re: Want one, but cautious. Opinions please.

Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:52 pm

I'm already sold. If you hadn't guessed, i research everything, and have likely over 100 hours into a 6k dollar decision at this point. Have decided the I-Miev will be in my driveway march/april.

Im in north texas, in cow country. Work is exactly 31 miles each way. 10 highway, 21 backroads. The three towns we shop in are 14 miles, 16 miles, and 24 miles respectively. Work has said i can use an outside plug 110v if needed, but at 62 miles roundtrip, may not be needed. All our shopping towns fall easily inside the range. The furthest one actually has an EvGo j1172 and Chademo at the Walgreens that we scouted today.

Ordered my EvGo, Chargepoint, and Blink cards last night. Will install a dedicated level 2 in the garage next weekend, 10gauge, 30amp 14-30 dryer socket, 40 amp breaker, and likely the Cripple Creek.

Hate to have to wait, but looks like uncle sam owes me a whole bunch of money back, so instead of financing, gonma let his check buy the car.

May not have a choice in color, but ideally would want a red one, as I've read they have been proven to be faster than the others...

You all have been fantastic, so thank you.

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Re: Want one, but cautious. Opinions please.

Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:27 pm

DamnHippie wrote:...Im in north texas, in cow country. Work is exactly 31 miles each way. 10 highway, 21 backroads. The three towns we shop in are 14 miles, 16 miles, and 24 miles respectively. Work has said i can use an outside plug 110v if needed, but at 62 miles roundtrip, may not be needed. All our shopping towns fall easily inside the range. The furthest one actually has an EvGo j1172 and Chademo at the Walgreens that we scouted today.
Glad you made a sensible decision, and the i-MiEV is well-suited for those drives. Reality is that the 62-mile round trip for work will be pushing it on one charge: speed (Texans love their 85mph), heat in winter, and aircon in summer will all affect your range. No problem, simply plan on plugging in to 120vac at work every day and you'll be just fine and be able to commute comfortably. Work out a deal with your employer to pay some nominal amount for the electricity so your co-workers don't get jealous.
DamnHippie wrote:Ordered my EvGo, Chargepoint, and Blink cards last night. Will install a dedicated level 2 in the garage next weekend, 10gauge, 30amp 14-30 dryer socket, 40 amp breaker, and likely the Cripple Creek.
The 40A Clipper Creek unit is fine (have you looked at others for perhaps a portable dual-voltage EVSE for taking on trips?), but I would go with 8AWG or 6AWG (depends on length) and NEMA 14-50 outlet (to be compatible with your next EV). To meet code, I don't think you can install a 40A breaker on a 30A outlet, even though our i-MiEV only draws about 13A at 240vac.

Have fun, and start looking for that i-MiEV as it may take some time to find one with CHAdeMO.
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Re: Want one, but cautious. Opinions please.

Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:34 pm

Joes,

Thanks for the input. I'm #2 at the company, so as a courtesy I just asked the owner if it was OK, and there was no problem, other than the jokes that I would return to the office and find my car has been picked up and placed in the bathroom...

(I would have offered to pay but when they moved the office 20 miles further away and I was not happy about the extended drive, he all but begged me to stay. That extra 40 miles RT tripled my fuel cost to and from the office and quadrupled my drive time. So, not trying to sound like an ass, but it is the least he could do.)

So, would you think a Clipper Creek 16a model, 8ga wire, 30amp breaker and 14-30 plug sounds capable enough?

I am under the impression the 2014 Imiev's all have Chademo, is that not correct ?

Much thanks again !

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Re: Want one, but cautious. Opinions please.

Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:36 pm

DamnHippie wrote:...So, would you think a Clipper Creek 16a model, 8ga wire, 30amp breaker and 14-30 plug sounds capable enough? I am under the impression the 2014 Imiev's all have Chademo, is that not correct ?
Sure, the 16A Clipper Creek and that circuit will be just fine for the i-MiEV, but insufficient for your next EV. ;) Yes, all 2014 i-MiEVs have CHAdeMO. Good luck in finding one... actually, you might be in luck as a few might be coming off the three-year lease.
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Re: Want one, but cautious. Opinions please.

Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:32 am

DamnHippie wrote:May not have a choice in color, but ideally would want a red one, as I've read they have been proven to be faster than the others...

I don't think the i-MiEV comes in red? The only colors I've seen are white, black, silver, purple, blue, and blue/white.

I hope you hit up a Smart forum for advice as well; I think some of the previous comments here were perhaps less than objective. ;)

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