Mievo
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GENTLEMEN. I need help.

Mon May 15, 2017 3:12 pm

I know the iMiev, I have been researching it for years. I knew what to expect. I have had mine for two weeks of surprises. It is a '12, used, with 33xxx mi on the odometer. I left the dealership with 14 of 16 bars. Range remaining indicated was 47, the quick charger I was going to leapfrog to was 41 miles away. Staying well within the Eco Grange oftentimes having the needle on the oh I was driving up the interstate at 55 miles an hour well under the speed limit, but keeping close to the other slow cars in the right lane. I made it 25 miles and had to pull over to try and get a little charge I had issues with the charging station and panicked the remaining range indicated after the issues was 8. The charging station after 10 15 or 20 minute intervals would drop to nearly zero; lower power than my cell phone charger will put out. I would wait and watch it and wouldn't wrap it back up after an hour of desperation I plugged in the level 1 on to the public charger, a charge Point Station. This wasn't adding enough fast enough and I didn't want to be out all night so I caved and got it towed the remaining 88miles to home.
Not long after that issue going back and forth to work I got a good feel for the car and how it works how to make the most out of its battery, meager as it is. Until one day; a solid week after getting the car I get home, plug it in to charge for two and a half hours from three or four bars starting. I did not think much of it at that time, but it had charged up to 12 or 13 bars. We (gf and I) set out to get Chinese food from a place that we have not gone to yet; all the others suck. It's a 30 mile round-trip I stick the county roads with a maximum speed of 45 miles per hour. Range remaining was about 40 when we left. It rained hard for 3 minutes I had wipers going and headlights on but upon the rain settling down turn the wipers off left on the parking lights. We could not make it home. We were two and a half miles from home in Turtle mode for two miles and I stopped at a Pep Boys who was kind enough to let me use a 120v outlet on the outside of the building for 15 to 20 minutes. That allowed us to limp home 2 miles, again hitting Turtle mode after the first mile and a half. The charging station at our apartment building is on the charge Point Network, so I can see how much power is being fed at a given time, and for how long. The graph religiously makes a nice V where the power tapers to almost nothing and then Ramps back up. The ramp down rarely lasts longer than 5 minutes. I noticed something odd over and over the car will only accept from nill to full, 12.x something kWh. Additionally it only takes four and a half hours to go from nothing to a full battery on the 240v. I can see you from chargepoint the car has not been modified it's only drawing 3 kilowatt hours at the peak. With internal charging losses accounted for you should only see 75 to 91% efficiency that would tell me that the full charge is anywhere from 9.15 to 11.1 kilowatt hours from nearly zero.

As I type this my car is at a Mitsubishi dealership having testing done and so far all their tests say the car is normal. They're going to check one more thing. I've got a mind to fight this and drag this out to Lemon Law if I have to, but I want to address the forums and ask the veterans; am I wrong?
"The Black Pearl" 2012 Mitsubishi iMiev, 34,9XXmi

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Mievo
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Re: GENTLEMEN. I need help.

Mon May 15, 2017 3:26 pm

To clarify some questions, the first drive home was pancake flat; I'm in Florida. No a/c was used, Windows cracked part of the way. I almost never use the AC.
The Chinese food trip had AC on for a minute to cool the vents and cabin before my girlfriend got in the car.
The car has twice only charged to 15/16 bars, refusing more. I have use dc quick chargers twice, first to 76% on purpose. The second time I went until it stopped, at again; 76%. It drew a peak of 108A.
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Re: GENTLEMEN. I need help.

Mon May 15, 2017 4:48 pm

Welcome to the forum.

From the sounds of it, your battery either has some serious degradation, or it is out of balance. My recommendation is to pick up an OBDLink LX bluetooth and an Android tablet (unless you already have an Android device). This will enable you to use the apps CaniOn and EVBatMon. CaniOn is very useful in showing how balanced the pack is or isn't. EVBatMon will query the car for battery capacity. CaniOn is a free app, EVBatMon costs $5.

If the pack is simply mis-balanced, then multiple complete charges from 2 bars or less will help bring it back in line.

You should've easily been able to make those trips. Hopefully the dealer can help figure out the issue.
"Bear" - 2012 Diamond White Pearl ES with QC - 2/21/2013
Solar-powered since 10/10/2013

"Koorz" - 2012 Cool Silver Metallic ES with QC - 1/5/2015

2017 Bolt EV LT in Orange with QC - 7/31/2017

Driving electric since 2-21-2013.

Mievo
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Re: GENTLEMEN. I need help.

Mon May 15, 2017 6:09 pm

Thanks for the obdii recommendation. I have canion and a chincy obdii that doesn't pull up the info. I am trying to get the warranty work done.
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sandange
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Re: GENTLEMEN. I need help.

Mon May 15, 2017 6:33 pm

Congratulations and welcome to the forum Mievo
:D

A bit of a rough start so some tweaking might be needed .

PV1 has made some excellent suggestions - several uninterrupted full
charges to full from 1-2 bars.

So as not to overlook the obvious, a few points

Tires -
What Brand/model & what pressure, - I over inflate to 40 lbs

Driving style -
on acceleration do you peg the meter or keep it in the green zone?
Drive in D, Eco, B or do you shift?
On deceleration - are you hard on the brakes or do you let the
regeneration slow you down.

Suggestion -

Enter the charging stations that you have available along the roads you
travel most often and at the destinations you visit, into your gps for Plan B
(distance references) should you be running low and need a charge.

Take the time to visit these local charge stations even if
you don't need a charge, to familiarize yourself with them

Carry an appropriate extension cord for emergency charging in the wild.

Adapting to driving electric..
Once you drive your regular routes a few times in the next few weeks, you'll know
what to expect for power required for each destination and where the chargers
are on route.
Driving an EV requires a little bit of planning,
but this eventually becomes second nature.

Hope you enjoy Many electric mile with smiles
Puey Bluey 2014 Miev
76,400 miles, 123,000 km
Previous EVs
Blackie - 2012 ES Miev 2 years - 67,000 km / (41,630 miles)
Total Electric miles driven
118,000, (190,000 km)

Mievo
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Location: Sanford, FL

Re: GENTLEMEN. I need help.

Mon May 15, 2017 6:39 pm

Sandage;
I've been planning and planning and planning how to work with an electric car for years. I finally got one. I'm very gentle on it tend to try and keep the needle on the sea or the back of the eye if I can do that, depending on the flow of traffic behind me. Not saying I don't nail it once in a while, but normal operation is entirely inside the green zone. Ordinarily I drive with E and when I'm slowing down I drop it back to B for the extra region and very gently apply the brakes to keep the Region High as needed very rarely ever do my friction brakes engage. I have pledged share on my phone I've had it on my phone for five years I have had a chargepoint card for 4 years. I also have blink and greenlots, I need to get evgo setup. I only have the top speed twice once when I was just testing it on a off day, and the other and I was hurrying to make my appointment at the dealer after work because somebody had to drive me home. Thanks for the reply any input is appreciated.
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Mievo
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Re: GENTLEMEN. I need help.

Mon May 15, 2017 6:40 pm

I want one more thing. As for the tires they are Factory they appear to be recently replaced and I have fluff them up to 40 PSI. Doesn't seem to do much of my drop the back to the 32 the car came with.
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Mievo
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Re: GENTLEMEN. I need help.

Mon May 15, 2017 6:41 pm

And I deeply apologize for my crude messages; for the long ones, I am using voice to text.
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PV1
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Re: GENTLEMEN. I need help.

Mon May 15, 2017 6:51 pm

Mievo wrote:And I deeply apologize for my crude messages; for the long ones, I am using voice to text.

I suspected :mrgreen: .
"Bear" - 2012 Diamond White Pearl ES with QC - 2/21/2013
Solar-powered since 10/10/2013

"Koorz" - 2012 Cool Silver Metallic ES with QC - 1/5/2015

2017 Bolt EV LT in Orange with QC - 7/31/2017

Driving electric since 2-21-2013.

sandange
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Re: GENTLEMEN. I need help.

Mon May 15, 2017 7:05 pm

Looks like you're on top of it,
Now to get the Battery health checked out.
Puey Bluey 2014 Miev
76,400 miles, 123,000 km
Previous EVs
Blackie - 2012 ES Miev 2 years - 67,000 km / (41,630 miles)
Total Electric miles driven
118,000, (190,000 km)

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