My1stEV
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Re: Appraisal/Body Work Recommendations?

Tue May 09, 2017 12:42 pm

@Phximiev,
Thanks that makes me feel better. How long did it take to get it fixed? I read your post about the rental. I was trying to get them to give me an EV rental but they said that they weren't available. I have a Nissan Versa for my rental. It's new but it sounds loud. I guess anything seems loud in comparison to an EV.

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Re: Appraisal/Body Work Recommendations?

Tue May 09, 2017 1:47 pm

It's certainly repairable . . . . but they may still total it - I'd say your odds of getting it fixed are 50/50 at best

We had a much less severe collision which involved the front right corner of one of our cars - A pick-up pulled out in front of my wife and she didn't quite get stopped before they met. No metal work involved, no damage to the hood, none to the steering at all - We drove it home and we drove it to get the estimates. It looked like all that was needed was a new front bumper cover and a fog light, but there was also damage underneath (the bumper support and some other plastic bits) that couldn't be seen until the car was taken apart. In the end, it was repaired at a cost of $3500 - Your damage is much more severe than ours was. I can pretty much guarantee there are going to be parts under the rear bumper cover which will add up quickly when you get a good estimate

It will take 3 or 4 weeks to get it fixed and since you have a rental car for that period, that will drive up the repair costs even more - We didn't request a rental, so that wasn't part of our repair costs. I would guess (just a guess, mind you) that you're looking at between $5K to $6K and if that's correct, it would probably be a total - If the car is worth $7500 and the damage is $6K, the car would be sold for $1500 or so and there you have the $7500 - They would not even consider repairing it because once repairs begin, new things will be found which will drive up the final cost even more than the original estimate - Our estimate was for $2250 and the final repair was $3500 . . . . and there was no metal work of any kind needed. The only paint work involved was painting the new bumper cover

Our insurance company (State Farm) didn't fix the car either, but they gave us the first estimate and they also went to the body shop we chose twice more to authorize extra repairs that their first estimate did not uncover. I think most major insurance companies do their own estimates (and probably make the total/not total decisions) even if the repairs are done elsewhere

Anyway - Good luck . . . . I hope I'm completely wrong (happens everyday) and I hope they can fix your car good as new for less than it will take to total it!

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Re: Appraisal/Body Work Recommendations?

Tue May 09, 2017 4:25 pm

My1stEV wrote:@Phximiev,
Thanks that makes me feel better. How long did it take to get it fixed? I read your post about the rental. I was trying to get them to give me an EV rental but they said that they weren't available. I have a Nissan Versa for my rental. It's new but it sounds loud. I guess anything seems loud in comparison to an EV.


It was a couple of weeks and I think the total insurance bill was $3,500 to $4,000. Mark Kia's auto repair shop did the repairs. Its right in the same business as Mark Mitsubishi of Scottsdale so they probably knew the car even though they repair all different kinds of vehicles.
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Re: Appraisal/Body Work Recommendations?

Wed May 10, 2017 9:55 am

Sorry to see this, My1stEV! Would you mind elaborating on the accident? I've worried about getting rear-ended while regenning, as there's no brake lights during that significant deceleration.

If insurance does decide to total it out, I hope you'll consider a negotiated buyback. (Yes, you can negotiate with the insurer- I had one car totaled twice, and the second check was significantly larger then the first!) If you didn't want to repair it yourself, me and others on the list would certainly be interested in parts or the whole car. Once our totaled cars get sold at auction, they often seem to disappear and not pop up again on car-part.com or other salvage yard websites. I see lots of 'third world' buyers on the online auctions for trucks and SUVs, but haven't heard of an export or rebuilder market for crashed EVs yet. Mainly its just battery salvage by DIY EV builders and some grid storage applications.
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Re: Appraisal/Body Work Recommendations?

Wed May 10, 2017 11:01 am

@jray3,
About the accident: I was stopped at a red light. There were four lanes: the two outside lanes are turning lanes. I heard brakes screeching behind me and before I could look into the rear view mirror I was hit. My iMiEV was pushed in the right turning lane and ended up at the entrance for a Bojangles. I was stunned but unharmed. My air bag did not deploy. The road has a speed limit of 35 mph but people routinely go above that. I was impressed with it's safety. I had nothing more than a headache from the impact. I'm 5' 2", in my 40s and not a particularly health conscious person so I think the iMiEV did a great job as far as safety is concerned. :D I was able to drive my car further into the Bojangles parking lot into a space so I wouldn't block the intersection or the Bojangles entrance. Then the police informed that it wasn't safe to drive since the rear fender was rubbing along both tires.

I've heard from the insurance company and it will be totaled but I have been given any offer yet. As for the negotiated buyback... I'll have to think about that.

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Re: Appraisal/Body Work Recommendations?

Wed May 10, 2017 1:25 pm

My1stEV wrote:I've heard from the insurance company and it will be totaled but I have been given any offer yet. As for the negotiated buyback... I'll have to think about that.
Really sorry to hear about that. It doesn't take much of a crash to total many cars these days. A relatively minor front end collision totaled a 2015 Ford Transit Connect on another forum I follow. The Blue Book value on that vehicle at the time was more than $17.5K

As to the possibility of buying back your car. If their offer is indeed in the $1200 to $1500 range, you could very possibly sell that car for at least double that and maybe as much as $3500 to $4K. Pull off the rear bumper cover and I'm sure you could drive it home. It would be very attractive to anyone wanting to build their own EV. The battery and drive system alone would cost many times that if bought new

Are you going to look for another iMiEV or replace it with something else?

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Re: Appraisal/Body Work Recommendations?

Wed May 10, 2017 4:38 pm

It really does look as though simply pulling off the bumper guard will get you home, where you can evaluate the rest of the car at your leisure.

Whatever happened to the cars we used to see with a 2x8 bolted on in lieu of a bumper? :roll: Aesthetically atrocious, but functional. :twisted: I would drill the 2x8 full of holes to make it lighter! :P :twisted:
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Re: Appraisal/Body Work Recommendations?

Wed May 10, 2017 8:00 pm

I had a feeling they would total it. I once found a Tesla Model S with no apparent damage other than the rear bumper cover missing on an auction site.

I've been impressed by the wrecked i-MiEVs I've seen so far. A couple have been in some really bad collisions but held up remarkably well with minimal injuries. At least the car that hit you applied brakes before colliding. Not only did that dramatically reduce the damage done to your car, it saved you from suffering injuries. Because the front of the other car dipped when the brakes were applied, it hit low on the back of your car. That avoided a direct impact to the frame rails, which would've likely rendered the car un-driveable.

If they allow a buyback, please let us know. Even if you don't want to repair it, it's easily worth $3,000 as a fixer or parts car. If you decide to buy it back and resell, I know someone that might be interested.

It becomes more apparent everyday that most drivers out there only look as far as the edge of their hood. I always keep an eye in the mirror as you can't trust the guy behind you anymore, especially with how quick these i-MiEVs can stop.
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Re: Appraisal/Body Work Recommendations?

Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:53 pm

Hello,

Was rear-ended the other day, not very hard, but hard enough dislodge the rear bumper so it was rubbing my tires, and also to slightly push in the area near a rear reflector. I just pulled the bumper back and snapped it back into place. It was just some kid coming back from a friend's funeral, (good story, huh?) and after I re-adjusted the bumper, I waved him off. It's not worth replacing anything, although my Precious now has a ding. Could have been worse.

But I'd like to take the ding out of the bumper where it's pushed in near the reflector.

I'm wondering if I can use a heat gun directed behind the bumper to soften it just a tad? (Behind the bumper so as not to damage the paint finish. ) Has anybody tried this? Are the bumpers thermoplastic?

I've a 2016 iMiev, still love it.

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Re: Appraisal/Body Work Recommendations?

Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:30 am

Well... it's been a while since I've been on this forum. I just wanted to follow up on my iMiev accident. Unfortunately, my insurance company totaled the car. I loved that car. It was too difficult to find anyone who was qualified to work on it or to find the parts. Even the local Mitsubishi dealership was no help. I ended taking the money that they gave me for my iMiev and getting a 2017 Nissan LEAF. It had an insanely good incentive -- $10K off the sticker price due to an arrangement with the Nissan corporation and the local electric utility. And fortunately we were able to take advantage of the full the $7500 tax credit so it turned out all right in the end. Plus I have to admit that the longer range was a bonus too. I still miss the conversations that my iMiev would start. You don't get quite the same response when driving a LEAF. I do know that I won't ever own another ICE vehicle. Lastly I just wanted to thank you for all of your advice and information on this forum. It's been invaluable. Keep driving green!

Best,
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