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Re: Has anyone car dolly towed i-MiEV?

Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:30 am

Thanks for resurrecting this question PV1, as I currently have a tow dolly hitched to the van and will try to answer this question before returning the dolly this weekend.

BTW- I salvaged a circa-1996 EV-converted 1985 Nissan Pulsar yesterday. It took a small crew of high schoolers less than three hours to remove all EV-related components, some of which will be resurrected on the Grumman Kurbwatt.
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Re: Has anyone car dolly towed i-MiEV?

Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:57 am

Sorry to resurrect an old topic. Did we ever figure out if the i-Miev can be dolly towed safely? I am trying to think ahead somewhat my plans to transport my EV about 900 miles at some point in the future and I think I would need to use a tow dolly for that purpose with the weight restrictions of my tow vehicle. Looking for feedback on towing the i-Miev with a dolly. Thanks.

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Re: Has anyone car dolly towed i-MiEV?

Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:49 am

Sorry, I didn't get the i-MiEV tested with the dolly while I had one available. Schedule got tight as usually happens.
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Re: Has anyone car dolly towed i-MiEV?

Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:04 pm

You would have to tow it with the rear wheels on the dolly, which presents some problems. The steering wheel won't lock in the center position, so you'd have to leave the key in it and tie the wheel straight somehow. With the rear end up on the dolly, extra weight is put on the tiny front tires and the front bumper cover will be very close to the ground - Very little ground clearance and if you went over an undulation at speed it *might* scrape the ground, or if you hit any sort of obstruction (dead animal in the road?) you might tear the bumper cover off. If you had a blowout on a front tire at 65 mph, I could see all sorts of problems . . . .

I might try it for a very short distance, but 900 miles??

If you do it, resurrect this thread again and let us know how it went - I'm sure many people would love to read some empirical evidence rather than all of our conjecturing ;)

Both of our cars have been trailer towed with all 4 wheels on the trailer for several hundred miles - I know that's safe. Is it really much less weight to stop than towing with a dolly? Most trailers have brakes . . . . most dollies don't. In a panic stop with a lightweight tow vehicle, I think you'd be better off with the trailer

Lastly, I think someone here once tried renting a U-Haul dolly to tow an IMiEV and when they asked what vehicle needed to be towed, they refused to rent them the dolly

Edit: Yes, it was Joe - From earlier in this thread " . . . but then... oh-oh, "it's a rear-wheel drive car with an automatic transmission" which they prohibit because the driveshaft has to be removed and they don't allow that (despite me trying to explain it's an electric car with no fore-aft driveshaft and no automatic transmission) and when I said I'd simply pull it backwards that was also prohibited, so no deal."

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Re: Has anyone car dolly towed i-MiEV?

Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:28 pm

Let's not forget that iwatson perfected i-MiEV dolly towing, having used the i-MiEV as an RV dinghy on his vacations.

http://www.myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3256

Still hasn't posted of photo of exactly how the steering wheel gets strapped down... :roll:
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Re: Has anyone car dolly towed i-MiEV?

Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:52 pm

I did a google search and found the emergency manual for the i-Miev and they clearly don't want you towing this car with a dolly forwards or backwards.

I don't know how the folks pulling it with the RV did it unless they put it on a trailer. Like someone else mentioned here the crazy trailer from a uhaul weighs almost as much as the car! So when it comes time to transport the car I may need to pay to have it moved, or see if I can come up with a better towing vehicle for that specific trip.

It is a little ways off... I still have to find the car first! LOL Just worrying about the details I guess... I have to admit I am not liking the towing options with the i-Miev.

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Re: Has anyone car dolly towed i-MiEV?

Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:56 pm

Remembered that we also had this thread on this forum (sigh):

http://myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=177

See posts starting on second page by iwatson (March 21, 2016).
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Re: Has anyone car dolly towed i-MiEV?

Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:57 am

I agree with iWatson's assessment:
"U-haul is following the tow dolly manufacturers warning to "not" tow a car backwards. My tow dolly manufacturer even went as far to tell me that if I did it, I would be pulled over by the police as it's "against the law". For any other car this would be true, (except I doubt if it's against the law) but since the i-miev is so different, unusual and rare there's just no knowledge base regarding this car. A normal rear wheel drive car would have the engine up front, which if towed backwards that weight of the engine would be at the tail end of the rig hanging behind the last axle and low to the ground. This weight would cause the rig to start swaying side to side, which is very dangerous. The i-miev doesn't have an engine, and all of it's weight is on the rear axle. So towed backwards it's weight distribution is setup just like a front-wheel drive car, towed forward."

As long as there are some red reflectors on the rearmost portion of the dollied i-MiEV (preferably covering the yellow turn signals), I'd feel comfortable hitting the road with an i-MiEV pointed backwards on a tow dolly with the tranny in Neutral and steering wheel tied down. A device like The Club secures the steering wheel to the brake pedal, so the wheel and the brakes are locked out and your car has a theft deterrent. (arguable- http://freakonomics.com/2010/06/08/what ... -the-club/
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1971 "Karmann Eclectric" EV 240 kW 19 kWh
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Re: Has anyone car dolly towed i-MiEV?

Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:11 pm

Posting a couple of photos showing iwatson's dolly-towing setup. That is one long combination to park! :shock:

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Re: Has anyone car dolly towed i-MiEV?

Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:04 pm

JoeS wrote: That is one long combination to park!


My Class C Motorhome is 31' long, then with the Tow dolly and car, the whole rig couldn't be over 40' :P
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