Phximiev
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Re: Cheapest car in the US to own?

Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:56 pm

2012 iMIEV ES
2014 Chevy Volt

Lithim
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Re: Cheapest car in the US to own?

Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:22 pm

Great video tour thru Slovakia and Austria.
Mitsubishi, please offer that red color and wheels in the US!!
2012, model ES
Silver with QC
Leased, now owned.

Phximiev
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Re: Cheapest car in the US to own?

Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:10 pm

Another video trip about an iMiev, also making its rounds on Facebook:

http://kiwiev.com/time-for-a-road-trip/

https://www.facebook.com/gavin.shoebrid ... 218580627/
2012 iMIEV ES
2014 Chevy Volt

JoeS
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Re: Kiwi in Slovakia

Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:25 am

IMO, this is a sad example of an iMiEV driver not using tools at his disposal.

He starts off by being unable to get CaniOn to connect because he is not using the proper high-speed OBDII Bluetooth adapter. Did he even read any documentation about this before trying to plug it in nilly-willy? DUH!

He DID use some smartphone app which told him how far he has to the charging stations.

In all the screen shots I saw he did not have the right-hand display set to Range Remaining (RR). DUH! The car would tell him if he had anything to worry about, or not, and he could have pro-actively compensated for this (primarily by slowing down) since he knew how far it was to the next charging station.

He appears not to have the experience to judge his remaining range from the fuel gauge itself.

He also appears to like driving fast - I have no problem with that, but not when you're trying to reach a distant destination. He eventually figured that out, but was not happy about it. It takes self-discipline to allow traffic to pass you while driving less-fast in the right lane (spoken by a life-long leadfoot).

Some of his trip was in the rain, which further diminishes range, so he needed to additionally compensate for this. I saw no altitude excursion nor any evidence of wind which could also have affected him.

I appreciated his producing the video and enjoyed the scenery and an insight into the country. He seems like a nice guy, and they make a nice couple.

Absolutely no need for the "range anxiety" exhibited in this video. Gives EVs a bad name.
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Malm
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Re: Kiwi in Slovakia

Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:38 am

Yes, but this is the reality for many users of the i-MiEV, in the beginning. I had to change some things in the way I drive, study the roads that I will have to choose. And in 2012, when I did some of my longest trips, there was no CaniOn, at least for me.
Riding an i-Miev since 4/2011 in Portugal, 100.000 kms.

JoeS
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Re: Kiwi in Slovakia

Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:15 am

Malm wrote:... in 2012, when I did some of my longest trips, there was no CaniOn, at least for me.
The CaniOn trip average Wh/km number is certainly useful (my personal goal is <100 on long trips) and I'm always amazed, on short trips, how quickly the number can drop with regeneration; nevertheless, without CaniOn, simply comparing RR with DTG (Distance To Go) off any GPS-enabled device and keeping RR>DTG is sufficient. I like to keep at least a ten-mile cushion to deal with contingencies, which means I rarely drop below two bars on the fuel gauge.
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rkarl89203
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Re: Kiwi in Slovakia

Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:39 am

I agree with the 10 mile cushion...seems to be a great idea.
Had an unexpected roundtrip of 120 miles today, no problem....
One L2 at the far end. Had a truck tailgate me for 20 miles and then nearly hit me when he attempted to pass. I am sure he was surprised when I hit the accelerator as he all of a sudden was WAY back in my rearview mirror.

Malm
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Re: Kiwi in Slovakia

Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:48 am

My decisions can't be to bad, after more then 80.000 km, driving to so many places here in Portugal, even went one time to Spain, never run out of energy without a charger point at my side. One time, 4 years ago, I was surprised with turtle at 7 km from home. I began the trip with 14 bars and I thought that they would be sufficient to do the 90 km of the trip. They were, but by few. It was the first time I saw the turtle. I have seen it much more times, but since that first time always by purpose, knowing that the 2,75 V in one cell is far or just bringing it to life near my house. One or twice times an year, I do go to very low SoC (even 0,0% SoC, if possible), because I like to know who are my weakest cells, how much distance can I do with my turtle and how much energy it can take from 0 to 100% SoC.
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Re: Kiwi in Slovakia

Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:59 am

One more point on the video: what he did also experience is charger anxiety; i.e., having arrived at a charging station, the darn thing refused to work! In his two cases, he got the DCFC to work and charge his car, with a big sigh of relief! At least he didn't have a line of cars queued up waiting to charge.
EVs: 2 Wht/Blu SE Prem., '13 Tesla MS85, 3 156v CorbinSparrows (2 Li-ion), 24v EcoScoot(LiFePO4)
EV Conv: 156v '86 Ram PU, 144v '65 Saab 96
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jsantala
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Re: Kiwi in Slovakia

Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:59 am

It's the Nissan-sponsored DBT chargers that have been installed thoughout Europe. They're crap. Especially with Mitsu made vehicle. Some newer software versions will not charge our vehicles at all. I have experienced this with my C-Zero. Other DBTs will cut charging with the infamous 0x504 CAN error now and then. Some have already been replaced with other brand chargers.
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