MalcolmReynolds
Posts: 28
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:27 pm

Re: Are the 2012 models getting too risky?

Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:36 pm

Does the heated steering wheel come in the ES? Or was that reserved for the SE models in the 2012? I looked to see in Joe's post about the SE vs ES post, but I didn't see any mention of it. So I was curious if that was not available in the ES.

JoeS
Site Moderator
Posts: 3215
Joined: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:47 am
Location: Los Altos Hills, California

Re: Are the 2012 models getting too risky?

Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:14 pm

There was no heated steering wheel on any 2012 i-MiEV. I forget, was that a feature on the 2014/2016 i-MiEV? Need to update the post comparing the 2012 ES and SE and expand it to include the 2014/2016 models. http://myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3228

Unfortunately, I don't have sales brochures for those years (did they even have them?). Need to poke around this forum to find that stuff...
EVs: 2 Wht/Blu SE Prem., '13 Tesla MS85, 3 156v CorbinSparrows (2 Li-ion), 24v EcoScoot(LiFePO4)
EV Conv: 156v '86 Ram PU, 144v '65 Saab 96
Hybrids: 48v1kW bike
ICE: '88 Isuzu Trooper. Mothballed: '67 Saab (orig.owner), '76 MBZ L206D RHD RV

Aerowhatt
Posts: 322
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:52 pm
Location: Albuquerque NM

Re: Are the 2012 models getting too risky?

Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:30 pm

Two 2014's here . . . ES is the only model offered for 2014, 2016, 2017. The steering wheel is not heated on either of ours. Twin seat heaters and DCQC standard though. :)

Aerowhatt
2014 cool silver ES, acquired new 4/2015
2014 Labrador Black Pearl ES, acquired new 3/2016

MalcolmReynolds
Posts: 28
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:27 pm

Re: Are the 2012 models getting too risky?

Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:33 pm

Thanks guys, not sure where I thought I saw something about a heated wheel. Maybe just mixing up stuff from looking at the Leaf stuff a while ago. I appreciate the feedback.

Don
Site Moderator
Posts: 2451
Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 3:55 pm
Location: Biloxi MS

Re: Are the 2012 models getting too risky?

Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:15 pm

Not heated and not tilt/telescoping either, though I do read all kinds of 'For Sale' ads where they claim it is :lol:

Don
2012 iMiEV SE Premium, White
2012 iMiEV SE, White
2014 Ford Transit Connect XLT SWB wagon, 14,000 miles
1994 Miata 60K miles - Soon to be sold
1979 Honda CBX six into six

MalcolmReynolds
Posts: 28
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:27 pm

Re: Are the 2012 models getting too risky?

Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:51 pm

Don wrote:Not heated and not tilt/telescoping either, though I do read all kinds of 'For Sale' ads where they claim it is :lol:

Don


I have been watching the ads for one with a "Flux Capacitor and a 1.21 gigawatt range extender", but haven't seen one yet... :D LOL

ecco
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:15 pm
Location: New Zealand

Re: Are the 2012 models getting too risky?

Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:12 pm

HI I'm in New Zealand and looking at a japanese imported i-miev, 2012, 18,000kmh, 10kwh battery, $14,000. Just wondering can anyone tell me how you can tell if the charger is mode one or mode two. I was told to make sure it was mode two so that it can charge in a normal socket in a NZ house. Thanks

phb10186
Posts: 224
Joined: Fri May 13, 2016 12:58 am
Location: North London suburbs, UK

Re: Are the 2012 models getting too risky?

Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:13 am

ecco wrote:HI I'm in New Zealand and looking at a japanese imported i-miev, 2012, 18,000kmh, 10kwh battery, $14,000. Just wondering can anyone tell me how you can tell if the charger is mode one or mode two. I was told to make sure it was mode two so that it can charge in a normal socket in a NZ house. Thanks


You mean a Japanese exported I-Miev, at Japanese domestic spec? - as all cars for all global markets were made in Japan.

Good question, According to wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains_ele ... by_country) Japan amazingly uses 100V mains domestic, which would translate to Level 1 charging. NZ, like the UK uses 230/240V - so unless the car is equipped with dual voltage capability, i cant answer it. The 10KWh model was Japanese domestic only, and who knows what on-board charger setup its got, especially as they use 100V mains. So, i'd be led to believe the wall charger won't work (whether a NZ supplied IMIEV charger would work is another question), a Level 2 wall charger going J1772 (Type 1) to Type 2 may or may not work, but the CHAdeMO charging would work, as it's a defined standard. Personally, i'd assume it will not work until you can test it, and then return it if it doesn't work - but if its in Japan, only being sent to you if you buy - i'd look elsewhere. Bottom line is that it is dependent on the cars internal charger. The US spec cars are compatible with Level 1 110v and level 2 240v via the correct charging cable, but that does not mean a JDM car has that functionality - although the first cars tested in the US were JDM spec, and they must have charged them somehow - so it poses the question. I couldn't tell you if my UK spec car would work with Level 1 110v domestic, but I know that the OEM supplied EVSE wall charger would not work.

So to summarise (and be happy to be corrected):
1. The EVSE wall outlet charger supplied with the car in Japan will not work in NZ (it may be able to be modified, but if the car itself cant take 240v, then it still won't work)
2. ChAdeMO will definitely work
3. L2 charging via the typically installed 240v charge points may or may not work, depending on the charger setup in the car - and that's the biggest issue for you, as most people with EVs I know utilise this method of charging.

If the cars on-board charger can handle 240v, then 1 and 3 become possible. If its 100v only, sadly you'll be very limited.

If you were adament, you could step down a wall outlet to 100v using a transformer for 230-100v, and swapping out the supplied charger plug for a NZ wall socket, but that would be somewhat pointless, as you'll be converting an effective Level 2 voltage down to level 1, and doubling your charge time.

If you use 240v domestic mains power, then that domestic mains is L2 by default, and a 3.5-4h empty to full charge time on a 10kw/h pack at level 2 (charging at 3.3 KWh/h, and then slowing as it nears full adding another 30-60 mins).

I've not seen any of the 10KWh packs mentioned before, but from what i've read, it's a different form of Li-ion battery suited to more frequent rapid charging (CHAdeMO) - so a car designed for shorter overall range, but repeated recharges. Never seen one of these in the UK, or any Japanese grey import IMIEV here in the UK. However, I have seen Japanese grey imported Leafs being used in the UK, and thats a similar situation to this one... and they must have got them working somehow. Have a read of this, it's quite pertinent for you: https://samholford.github.io/leafguide/

"An original Nissan EVSE (15A) from Japan needs modification for use in NZ, either by replacing the Japanese plug with a caravan plug, or by faulting it into a lower amperage (both should be done by an electrician). Replacing the Japanese plug directly with a standard NZ plug will cause overheating and melting of your socket."

If the 16KWh pack is rated for 70 miles, then a 10Kw/h pack calculates to 43.75 miles at full. Not accounting for winter drop, degredatory losses over time etc etc.

I would guess that this pack was suited for Japanese urban use, whereby the car is only moving at 10-30mph for most of the day, in places with readily available rapid charging facilities. Taking a car with a 44 mile range out of that environment requires careful consideration of intended use, as you will be extremely limited with the small maximum range - though having said that, if its a second car local runaround, it may still serve you well for most of your local journeys.

I'd not be hesitant about the pack integrity, as the mileage is low - but I'd be wary of buying a car with that sort of range, as I find the 16KWh pack only just enough. For highway travelling, you are extremely limited indeed, perhaps even prevented, as at 70mph, I'd estimate the range at no more than 30-35 miles at best - put the heater on in winter, and thats going to plummet by about 25-30% at a guess..

That car equates to £7k (OK the £ is very weak at the moment) - but a domestic supplied vehicle with a 16KWh pack at that age and mileage would be about 20% cheaper here... but i dont know the NZ used car market and tax situation.
2012 I-MIEV Keiko Silver 11K
2010 Insight ES-T 43K
2001 Accord Type-V (F23 manual)
2009 Hornet CB600F
2008 SH300

ecco
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:15 pm
Location: New Zealand

Re: Are the 2012 models getting too risky?

Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:03 pm

Thanks Phb for your advice which I found very helpful. I did find out that the car can be charged from a normal household point. However your advice on the short range of the car is good to know. It would only be a second car for around town. We don't have any NZ new imiev here as Mitsubishi nz stopped offering them as they couldn't compete with the Japanese imported ones. I will look round for a 16kwh imiev I think.

phb10186
Posts: 224
Joined: Fri May 13, 2016 12:58 am
Location: North London suburbs, UK

Re: Are the 2012 models getting too risky?

Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:17 pm

ecco wrote:Thanks Phb for your advice which I found very helpful. I did find out that the car can be charged from a normal household point. However your advice on the short range of the car is good to know. It would only be a second car for around town. We don't have any NZ new imiev here as Mitsubishi nz stopped offering them as they couldn't compete with the Japanese imported ones. I will look round for a 16kwh imiev I think.


Makes sense... if there aRE a lot if JDM ones in NZ then that might be proof that they will work with the lead mods.

Yeah... stick to 16kwh. BTW, if you can find a late or post 2012, they updated batteries, which are better than the older ones as far as duty cycling and longevity goes... have a read around the foum: LEV50N cells Vs the older LEV50 cells. Problem is, noone knows the exact build date of VIN numbers... but there is a label in a hard to find place somewhere on the rear of the pack... another consideration for you.
2012 I-MIEV Keiko Silver 11K
2010 Insight ES-T 43K
2001 Accord Type-V (F23 manual)
2009 Hornet CB600F
2008 SH300

Return to “Buying/Leasing the iMiev”