databeestje
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Re: DCQC Costs

Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:46 am

A small bit of background regarding the electricity prices in NL, it's 21 cents per kWh for residential grid, most public chargers are 30 cents per kWh, some with a 60 cent start tarif. To be fair, most public chargers are 11kW 3 phase, but because the mitsu/leaf/i3/soul all have a single phase charger onboard they won't charge more then 3kW. Except for the Zoe and the Tesla, they come standard with 3 phase charging which pretty much the entire EU uses.

So it's a bit more complicated then the american L1 vs L2 vs DCFC charging speeds. If the car does 3 phase 32 amps you suddenly have a 22kW Charger (Zoe, Leaf) which changes behaviour quite significantly.

We do have FastNed with it's DCFC stations beside the road, that's 85 cents per kWh without contract, but it's per kWh, so that's decent, no artificial time restrictions. So even if you used the DCFC for the 80-100 it would only cost the 85 cents per kWh. You can also get a contract with them, which makes sense if you use them everyday. They have a contract for 12 euros a month and you pay 35 cents per kWh, or a Flat fee subscription of 99 euros.
[img width=400]http://www.zerauto.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/FastNed.jpg[/img]

The Tesla charging there is probably charging with 22kW 3 phase, they have 44 kW available, as well as CCS and Chademo

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Re: DCQC Costs

Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:55 pm

Just got the bill from EVGo for my DC charge a couple of weeks ago. 26 minutes of charging (which never went above 50 amps :evil: ) cost me $10.15 ($4.95 session plus 26 minutes @ $0.20/min, so $5.20). Given the circumstances, glad to pay for a charge since I didn't have my cord and did a lot of driving while fighting snowy roads. What irked me was that the charge wasn't all that fast, but I have no clue if it was the car or the charger that was limiting the current. In a scary, big-brother kind of way, when I got back, I had a PlugInsights survey about paid quick charging sitting in my Inbox :? . But then when you look at how PlugShare makes money, I likely triggered the survey getting sent to me when I checked into a paid DCQC station.

This is only my second paid QC, and third paid charge overall.
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Re: DCQC Costs

Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:58 pm

Snowy roads implies 0C temps. I'm pretty certain there is some max charge rate logic in the car for low temps...
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Re: DCQC Costs

Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:15 pm

It was definitely below freezing (I think low teens F), but the pack was decently warm at around 50 F. It was a dry snow.
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Re: DCQC Costs

Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:26 pm

PV1 wrote:But then when you look at how PlugShare makes money

Wait -- how does PlugShare make money?

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Re: DCQC Costs

Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:33 pm

"Bear" - 2012 Diamond White Pearl ES with QC - 2/21/2013
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"Koorz" - 2012 Cool Silver Metallic ES with QC - 1/5/2015

2017 Bolt EV LT in Orange with QC - 7/31/2017

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