1pk
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Re: Our Gas Free Miles Travelled

Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:57 pm

My little i-miev passed 100,000 km today. It's been about 3.5 years of gas free driving for me. I live in coastal BC so I still have my original tires and wipers. Both will be replaced this year. Only issue I've had is a persistently squeaky disc brake, and just last week my AC stopped working.

Pete

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Re: Our Gas Free Miles Travelled

Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:11 pm

Phximiev wrote:Here, here! We've had the 'Miev for two years and two days and put on 26,500 miles or so in that time, trouble-free as well. Works out to about 36 miles per day, which is fairly ordinary for the average US driver.

Happy New Year!

:D


Now three years and driven it right at 38k miles or about 35 miles per day average.

Hope everyone is looking forward to a Happy New Year!

:D
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2014 Chevy Volt

jray3
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Re: Our Gas Free Miles Travelled

Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:17 pm

On a somewhat related note, I just figured the break even point for my Christmas delivery trip of aused i-MiEV to my mother.
Pulling it there with my old diesel F250, I got as low as 11.4 mpg towing the EV to Colorado and then 15 to 18 mpg on the unloaded return, when the normal minivan pilgrimage averages 24 mpg. That’s 104 gal of unleaded vs 166 gal of diesel,
104gal*19.6 lb CO2= 2038 lb CO2
166gal*22.4 lb CO2=3718 lb CO2
So, 1680 extra lbs of CO2 to deliver mom’s Xmas gift. However, she’s now driving on sunshine rather than coal-fired gasoline, so it’ll balance out within only 1286 miles compared to dad’s 15 mpg in-town Ram Hemi pickup!

Considering it’s already racked up over 300 miles in Colorado, the payback should be swift!
2012 i-SE "MR BEAN" 96,000 miles
2000 Mazda Miata EV, 78 kW, 17 kWh
1983 Grumman Kurbwatt EV,170 kW, 32 kWh
1983 Mazda RX-7 EV 43 kW 10 kWh
1971 "Karmann Eclectric" EV 240 kW 19 kWh
1965 Karmann Ghia Cabriolet

Don
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Re: Our Gas Free Miles Travelled

Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:16 am

jray3 wrote: . . . . she’s now driving on sunshine rather than coal-fired gasoline
A new term . . . at least for me

Google and Wikipedia were no help - Care to explain? :D

Don
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Re: Our Gas Free Miles Travelled

Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:52 pm

Don wrote: coal-fired gasolineA new term . . . at least for me

Google and Wikipedia were no help - Care to explain? :D

"coal-fired gasoline" is a term I use to reflect the fact that the energy inputs for refining gasoline rarely come from the crude oil itself. (yes, even when you see refineries flaring waste gas, they are drawing from the grid). In most regions, the average 8 kWh of electricity that it takes to refine a gallon of gasoline from light sweet crude (much more for tar sands bitumen) comes from the same grid mix that local communities draw from. For instance, the refineries in Bellingham, WA that turn Alaskan crude into gasoline for the Pacific Northwest don't run on the clean hydropower which surrounds them, but are 59% fossil-fueled, mainly from coal boilers all the way over in Montana!
It is a big issue for EVs and a simple fact that universally advantages EVs. Consider Don on the Gulf Coast, where his Pascagoula-refined gasoline is energized by a dedicated natural gas cogen facility. That plant has flares burning 24/7, but relies on the steady flow of pipeline gas for it's electrical turbines.
http://pascagoula.chevron.com/abouttherefinery/default.aspx

This basic claim should hold; "An EV uses less electricity overall than any equivalent fossil-fueled vehicle." Consider that conservative 8 kWH/gallon figure. Our i-MiEV at 258 Watt-hrs per mile can drive 31 miles on the electricity required to refine a single gallon of gas. With the average US vehicle still only getting 24 mpg, that means we've driven circles around the gasser before they even crank it up and start spewing exhaust. I haven't run numbers on an energy hog like Ahnold's Electric Hummer compared to a Gen 1 insight, but that's how extreme it'd have to get for an EV to consume more electricity than a gasser.
2012 i-SE "MR BEAN" 96,000 miles
2000 Mazda Miata EV, 78 kW, 17 kWh
1983 Grumman Kurbwatt EV,170 kW, 32 kWh
1983 Mazda RX-7 EV 43 kW 10 kWh
1971 "Karmann Eclectric" EV 240 kW 19 kWh
1965 Karmann Ghia Cabriolet

Don
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Re: Our Gas Free Miles Travelled

Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:21 pm

Gotcha!

It was the 'coal-fired' part that threw me - They don't burn much coal in Seattle to generate electricity and as it turns out, not much longer in Denver either

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/09/03/c ... el-energy/

Don
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2012 iMiEV SE, White
2017 Chevy Volt Premier
2014 Ford Transit Connect XLT SWB wagon, 14,000 miles
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Re: Our Gas Free Miles Travelled

Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:21 pm

And right on cue, The Guardian finds that even in an ironic twist, oil-fired EVs are 1/3 more efficient than gassers!
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2017/dec/25/how-green-are-electric-cars
2012 i-SE "MR BEAN" 96,000 miles
2000 Mazda Miata EV, 78 kW, 17 kWh
1983 Grumman Kurbwatt EV,170 kW, 32 kWh
1983 Mazda RX-7 EV 43 kW 10 kWh
1971 "Karmann Eclectric" EV 240 kW 19 kWh
1965 Karmann Ghia Cabriolet

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