ed5000
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Re: iMiev.. my biggest mistake ever

Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:07 pm

Plankton,
What happened to the compressor? Keep in mind that these systems have a low pressure cutout switch that will keep your ac system from running if it's low on R-134A refrigerant. If there's no other obvious damage like leaks or odd sounds, etc. I would want to make sure it's not this. Also, make sure your condenser coil fan is working and that the coil is not clogged with derbis, etc. This will cause your high pressure cutout switch to open turning off your compressor.

Here's a nice pdf file of the i-miev air conditioning system
http://www.landrover.narod.ru/ELMOBIL/W2.pdf

It's a nice looking system but in general if a cutout switch opens, sometimes it may require a reset. (Maybe with a OBII scanner or mut-3?)
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Re: iMiev.. my biggest mistake ever

Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:54 am

Lol. Not to make light of your plight, but I too share your pain.

I am trying to sell mine after three years and am only being offered $4,000 by a dealer. Maybe I can sell it to you for parts. Lol.

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Re: iMiev.. my biggest mistake ever

Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:25 am

Yes. Mitsubishi's price for replacing your AC compressor is ridiculous, and Mitsubishi should be ashamed to charge so much to replace a part that fails after three years. I looked up the part number 7813A585 and it is over $3,000 on parts websites. You can buy a brand new Nissan Leaf AC compressor for under $700.
JoeS wrote:Have you tried third-party aircon repair shops?
Used compressor?
Perhaps a good repair shop could repair the AC compressor, if it is the AC compressor. Auto dealer repair shops are notorious for not being able to diagnose a problem, and their solution is to just start replacing parts. The auto dealer should have checked the AC compressor when your AC compressor bracket was replaced recently. Did the banging compressor break the bracket?

There is a used i-MiEV AC compressor on eBay for $1,020.
There are several used Nissan Leaf AC compressors on eBay for $200-$400. Perhaps the Nissan Leaf AC compressor would work?
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Re: iMiev.. my biggest mistake ever

Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:53 am

Don wrote:Personally, I think you must lead a charmed life - Not a divorce, never took a job which you wish you hadn't, never bought a house which turned out to be more than a fixer-upper, never a crappy investment which cost you a bundle? Your biggest 'mistake' *ever* was buying a car which had an A/C failure after 3+ years

You're pretty lucky, all in all

Don


If you couldnt tell I was rather pissed off when I wrote that, still am actually. But title is a little on the dramatic side i'll admit
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Re: iMiev.. my biggest mistake ever

Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:03 am

JoeS wrote:Aw, Plankton, I don't suppose you want to re-title this thread? Your problem is far too specific for such a generalized statement, IMO.

Agree, $4000 is a ridiculous price to fix anything on the car… I simply wouldn't do it and would try to be creative. I take it this is after you had paid Mitsu $400 to replace the a/c bracket (which, I'm afraid, I wouldn't have done in the first place)?

Presumably you've escalated the issue with Mitsubishi, as it looked as though there was the beginning of a trend in cold-climate i-MiEVs?

Have you tried third-party aircon repair shops?

Used compressor?

I presume the heater works fine? What about when running the heater and dehumidify at the same time?

As someone who drove for over 40 years before getting a car with a/c in 2004 (Gen1 Honda Insight), I can't get excited over not having air conditioning. Even now, and despite our present heat wave, I drive our i-MiEVs with windows open and no a/c… but, then again, I don't live in Arizona or the US South or SouthEast…

Regarding care and feeding of automotive air conditioning units, I understand we should exercise the darn things periodically(?). Anything about NOT running the a/c in seriously-cold weather?

Plankton, on the previous thread you had been posting to, would you be kind enough to update us with your blow-by-blow tribulations with Mitsubishi regarding this problem?
A/C Issue http://myimiev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2711

Would you mind if I moved these posts into that thread?

Thanks, and good luck.


Sorry feel free to move to where it should be.

I'm going to attempt to escalate this with Mits. Any one know of any good resources on how to approach that?

The video I posted on the other thread ended up being a support bracket for the A/C compressor. It wouldn't surprise me if this is related. They are telling me the compressor is shorting out causing the car to shutdown.

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Re: iMiev.. my biggest mistake ever

Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:22 am

ed5000 wrote:Plankton,
What happened to the compressor? Keep in mind that these systems have a low pressure cutout switch that will keep your ac system from running if it's low on R-134A refrigerant. If there's no other obvious damage like leaks or odd sounds, etc. I would want to make sure it's not this. Also, make sure your condenser coil fan is working and that the coil is not clogged with derbis, etc. This will cause your high pressure cutout switch to open turning off your compressor.

Here's a nice pdf file of the i-miev air conditioning system
http://www.landrover.narod.ru/ELMOBIL/W2.pdf

It's a nice looking system but in general if a cutout switch opens, sometimes it may require a reset. (Maybe with a OBII scanner or mut-3?)


They're telling me it has an internal short which causes the entire car to shut down

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Re: iMiev.. my biggest mistake ever

Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:27 am

RobertC wrote:Yes. Mitsubishi's price for replacing your AC compressor is ridiculous, and Mitsubishi should be ashamed to charge so much to replace a part that fails after three years. I looked up the part number 7813A585 and it is over $3,000 on parts websites. You can buy a brand new Nissan Leaf AC compressor for under $700.
JoeS wrote:Have you tried third-party aircon repair shops?
Used compressor?
Perhaps a good repair shop could repair the AC compressor, if it is the AC compressor. Auto dealer repair shops are notorious for not being able to diagnose a problem, and their solution is to just start replacing parts. The auto dealer should have checked the AC compressor when your AC compressor bracket was replaced recently. Did the banging compressor break the bracket?

There is a used i-MiEV AC compressor on eBay for $1,020.
There are several used Nissan Leaf AC compressors on eBay for $200-$400. Perhaps the Nissan Leaf AC compressor would work?


I was thinking the same thing about why not get it fixed instead of a whole new compressor. Thank you for pointing out the used one's on eBay thats an option for sure. One thing i'm afraid of is they dont really know wtf the problem is. The last time i had an issue where it wouldnt start they swapped out the charger. That didnt do it so they replaced the EV-ECU

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Re: iMiev.. my biggest mistake ever

Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:42 am

Plankton wrote:
ed5000 wrote:Plankton,
What happened to the compressor?
They're telling me it has an internal short which causes the entire car to shut down
Can they disconnect the AC compressor so that you can still run the car?

There are two connectors to the AC compressor.
Connector A-111 is three wires; 12V dc from a fuse, ground, and a control wire from the AC control unit.
Connector G-20 is the high voltage connector from the traction battery and has two wires.
Can they unplug G-20 and safe it off? (The open end will be at 360V dc.)

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Re: iMiev.. my biggest mistake ever

Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:23 am

RobertC wrote:
Plankton wrote:
ed5000 wrote:Plankton,
What happened to the compressor?
They're telling me it has an internal short which causes the entire car to shut down
Can they disconnect the AC compressor so that you can still run the car?

There are two connectors to the AC compressor.
Connector A-111 is three wires; 12V dc from a fuse, ground, and a control wire from the AC control unit.
Connector G-20 is the high voltage connector from the traction battery and has two wires.
Can they unplug G-20 and safe it off? (The open end will be at 360V dc.)

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They told me its required but I'm going to look into this more. If it really isnt and winter coming I'd at least have time to save for the expense.

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Re: iMiev.. my biggest mistake ever

Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:03 pm

Plankton wrote:...
They told me its required but I'm going to look into this more. If it really isnt and winter coming I'd at least have time to save for the expense.


That sounds all the more reason for an under-warranty repair--if you can't operate the battery-powered electric car without it, then it needs to be covered just like the battery...Otherwise you will operate the car without A/C and damage the battery when using the quick charging port.
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