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14.5kWh storage capacity?

Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:43 pm

Hello, I've noticed in newly coming peugeot iOn (same to iMIEV) that battery capacity decreased from 16kWh to 14.5kWh according to car manual which can be seen there:

http://public.servicebox.peugeot.com/ddb/

I was surprised by reading about iOn produced after 15/05/2012 - capacity is 14.5kWh and less vehicle weight.
does that mean cost reduced version of iMiev which has been heard before with lower range?

I'm glad I've bought my iOn with 16kWh lithium capacity.... but it could be interesting for future iMIEV owners as I never found any information about that....
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Re: 14.5kWh storage capacity?

Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:09 pm

http://public.servicebox.peugeot.com/ddb/
evcar, thank you very much for this link, as it gives us the Owner's Manual in English online. As far as I know, US Mitsubishi still has not done that.

I don't know about any storage capacity change, but somehow I doubt they would be reducing it. Perhaps they are showing the "effective" capacity rather than the full theoretical capacity in order to comply with some regulations? Don't forget, the batteries we have are very conservatively controlled and thus restricted at their limits, preventing both a high charge and a heavy discharge from occurring.
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Re: 14.5kWh storage capacity?

Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:44 am

no problem for a link - it was shown in my printed car manual :)

about capacity if you look for older manual version (there are three versions) you will see that in the older ones capacity is shown as 16kWh, also weight is about 60kg more. So they definitelly going to reduce pack capacity...

also the manual is in English and any other european languages, including mine (polish) :)

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Re: 14.5kWh storage capacity?

Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:32 am

evcar wrote:about capacity if you look for older manual version (there are three versions) you will see that in the older ones capacity is shown as 16kWh, also weight is about 60kg more. So they definitelly going to reduce pack capacity...
That is not a good sign :shock:, although 1.5kWhr and 60kg (132lbs) doesn't quite compute...perhaps this means they are improving their energy density as well?
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Re: 14.5kWh storage capacity?

Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:40 am

JoeS wrote:That is not a good sign :shock:, although 1.5kWhr and 60kg (132lbs) doesn't quite compute...perhaps this means they are improving their energy density as well?


I have no idea. I didn't see any with 14.5kWh capacity yet. Also I asked local Peugeot dealer about that but they don't know anything and won't have also any iOn on stock (won't get one because of "no sales" ;))

Also Mitsubishi stopped delivering rebadged imiev's to PSA (peugeot & citroen) so they might never appear....

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Re: 14.5kWh storage capacity?

Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:40 pm

French cars are narrower, thus 60kg difference
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Re: 14.5kWh storage capacity?

Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:26 am

Eugene wrote:French cars are narrower, thus 60kg difference
Narrower, shorter and not quite as tall

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Re: 14.5kWh storage capacity?

Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:20 am

and with better Cx=0.33 and range :)
also same kWh capacity (16kWh)

I meant newer versions to have 14.5kWh according to user manual (built after 05.2012)

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Re: 14.5kWh storage capacity?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:05 am

The US version is significantly larger than in the rest of the world. It is 4" wider and also longer if I am not mistaken.
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Re: 14.5kWh storage capacity?

Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:47 pm

NeilBlanchard wrote:The US version is significantly larger than in the rest of the world. It is 4" wider and also longer if I am not mistaken.


yes but what does it means to battery capacity? ;)
I was saying 16kWh vs. 14.5kWh in the same EU model comparing newer & older manual from same car. So I advise any new imiev buyer to check what battery capacity it has ;)
Perhaps this is valid for 2013 and not now.

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