tonymil
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Problem Charging but it isn't the battery

Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:38 pm

Hi all, it's been a long time since I've posted, but suddenly I'm having a major issue with charging. The car stops charging and the level 2 charger says charging complete even though it isn't. But if I either unplug and replug the the charger, or if I hit override all setting on the remote, charging starts up again. If I do this enough times, the car finally fully charges and I get acceptable range for my 2012 miev with 52,000 miles on it (43,000 miles on this battery). I've searched the other posts here and don't see anyone else having this problem. Also, I did go and "cancel" all remote settings just in case the issue was that I accidentally set the car to delay or otherwise modify charge times. Nothing has helped. Any thoughts? Much appreciated.

Tony

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Re: Problem Charging but it isn't the battery

Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:01 pm

Welcome Back Tony,
What EVSE are you using and have there been any changes in your charging habits? Does this happen on commercial stations and without remote use at all? It took a while to figure out that my SPX (now Bosch Power Express) was basically incompatible with the remote commands. I've never encountered a commercial charging station that is fooled by the charging timeouts imposed by our BMS, but it has caused my wife some alarm, and I've never tried to use the remote while on a commercial charging station. (Which reminds me to do so- I'll have to walk half a block to get within range, but would appreciate some preheating for the return commute this winter!)
-Jay
2012 i-SE "MR BEAN" 80,000 miles
i-ES traded at 21,648 miles
2000 Honda Odyssey
1987 F250 Diesel
1983 Grumman Kurbwatt,170 kW, 32 kWh
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tonymil
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Re: Problem Charging but it isn't the battery

Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:17 pm

Hi Jay,

Thanks very much for the response. So I ended up taking drastic action. I traded in my miev for a Kia Soul ev. They are offering 3 year leases for $179 and no money down. Too good to pass up. And the purchase option at the end of the 3 years is around $10k. Pulled the trigger today. It's quite a jolt going from my little miev to the boxy Soul, but I can't deny that it's nice to have all the comforts and features.

As for the problem with charging the miev, I had only used the remote to preheat, I never intentionally set a timer or anything else. But when the charger kept shutting off I thought maybe I had accidentally set something. It was weird because there were times it would fully charge. I didn't use the remote on the public station, but I monitored it with the chargepoint app. It was charging at about 3 kw for about 20 minutes and then just stopped. I guess no one else who's left on this forum has had a similar problem. Oh well. I'm happy with the 5.5 years and 52,000+ miles I got out of it. According to the Union of Concerned Scientists EV emissions tool, I reduced my carbon footprint by 18.5 ton of CO2. I'm very proud of that!

Tony

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Re: Problem Charging but it isn't the battery

Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:53 am

Hi tonymil, sorry to hear. I understand the "Oh-Oh" aspect of this and the desire to bail. Kia Soul EV is nice, and I'm surprised it never became more popular.

Before you leave us, could you describe better the issue - I take it that this was a change in what had been a daily routine for you?

1. Did it work ok with your Mitsu Level 1 EVSE?

2. The L2 EVSE - is that a public ChargePoint or ChargePoint Home?

3. Did it have the same symptoms using other L2 EVSEs?

I thought we had a post elsewhere on this forum about an issue with ChargePoint and I'm wondering if perhaps their newer software or charging station detects the i-MiEV's 'timeout' as a shutoff and turns the EVSE off?

Tonymil, wish you all the best with the Kia Soul EV, and have a Merry Christmas!
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tonymil
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Re: Problem Charging but it isn't the battery

Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:55 pm

Hi Joe, nice to hear from you. So my level 2 station at home is kind of unusual. The mitsu dealership that sold me the miev also sold me one of the two Eaton industrial level 2 chargers that mitsu North America forced all dealers to install. I can only remember one prior incident more than a year ago where I plugged it in and it stopped charging before reaching full capacity. It didn't happen again until now. Just when the weather started getting colder this year, and just when I started pre-heating again, I started getting the same symptoms of stopping charging before full capacity. It was intermittent at first but became more frequent, but I could always restart the charging and eventually it would reach full capacity. I thought it could be my charging station so recently when I was at an event with a chargepoint station close by I plugged in to see what would happened. As previously stated, it stopped after 20 minutes and left me at half capacity. I doubt the problem is my home charger but I should know in the morning, I just plugged in my Soul EV for the night.

I have to say that even before this problem arose, I was dreading going through another winter with the miev. The heater just sucks the life out of it so I end up driving with just my seat heater and heated vest to keep me warm. I have absolutely no regrets about the miev though. The 52,000 miles I put on it means I reduced my CO2 output by 18.5 tons versus a gas car. I'm very proud of that. And we all gave mitsu a lot of insight into how well/not well its battery and related technology worked. It's been a great experiment, but I'm glad to have a car with more range and more comfort. I'm even thinking of driving from Albany to Long Island this weekend. I would need to stop at 3 level 3 charging stations along the way. I normally make one stop anyway, so it would only mean making two extra stops. It could be fun to do.

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Re: Problem Charging but it isn't the battery

Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:40 am

Hi Tony,

Understand the issues and concerns, and wish you all the best. Suspect there's nothing wrong with your Eaton. Longer distances in an EV are always a bit of an adventure and can be a lot of fun as long as the rest of the family is on the same page and there are no overriding time constraints. Hope the SoulEV provides you with a continuing improving EV experience. Take care.
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Re: Problem Charging but it isn't the battery

Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:43 pm

I'm guessing you'll be pretty happy with the Kia as it 'solves' many of the things most of us think are shortcomings with our iMiEV's - If I didn't already have two of them, I'd be trotting over to the Kia dealer to take a look

A 27 Kw battery, 6.6 Kw charger, actual range of 100 miles or better, all 4 wheels and tires of the same 'reasonable' size and even a bit more cargo space - What's not to like!? Well, unfortunately, it is FWD but that's about it

We'll miss you here Tony, but I think you're gonna be pretty happy with your new ride :D

Don
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Re: Problem Charging but it isn't the battery

Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:33 am

Having a 6.6kW charger is probably the thing I’m most jealous of from EVs newer than the I-MIEV.

Getting a useful charge from an hour out of a L2 charger must be nice
2012 i-MIEV SE Premium

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Re: Problem Charging but it isn't the battery

Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:02 am

ChrisEV wrote:Having a 6.6kW charger is probably the thing I’m most jealous of from EVs newer than the I-MIEV.

Getting a useful charge from an hour out of a L2 charger must be nice


I know, right? That's why I've been on the fence about that Portable 7kw Chademo charger that can use 32A single-phase (or 3-phase) into chademo charging. But 3k is still a lot of dough. :?


Btw, what's wrong with FWD?

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