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Re: Battery cell failing at just 2900 km (1800 miles)

Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:50 am

Gyver wrote:Hi guys, I finally received some news from the dealer. They confirmed the battery pack is damaged and has to be replaced.

I went on chatting a bit with the chief mechanic, he told me 2 cells fail to charge: number 6 and 12. He is unsure if there is a pack in stock at PSA in France, if that is not the case they will have to ship it from Japan. They will change both the battery pack and the ECU.

Since they will probably need quite some time to receive the new parts, they will return me the car so that I can drive around with a limited range. Well, I think I'll take some pleasure in trashing that doomed battery in the next days. :twisted: Drag-racing, anyone?

I'm not sure how many cells failed in my battery, I never got a read out as it was serviced by a dealer quite a bit away. Mitsubishi has just 3 dealers in NL that can service high voltage.

They told me in september that there were no batteries in the EU so it had to be shipped from Japan. It took 2 months before the car was returned, they lent me a Mitsubishi Spacestar during the time, but it depends on the dealer.

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Re: Battery cell failing at just 2900 km (1800 miles)

Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:10 pm

databeestje wrote:I'm not sure how many cells failed in my battery, I never got a read out as it was serviced by a dealer quite a bit away. Mitsubishi has just 3 dealers in NL that can service high voltage.

They told me in september that there were no batteries in the EU so it had to be shipped from Japan. It took 2 months before the car was returned, they lent me a Mitsubishi Spacestar during the time, but it depends on the dealer.


I guess I willl have to be very patient :roll:
when did you had your car serviced?

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Re: Battery cell failing at just 2900 km (1800 miles)

Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:48 pm

The car was away from the middle of september to the middle of november, exactly 2 months. The good news is that I now have a new battery, although the old one wasn't that bad after 5 years. It still had 90km even without completing the charge (it stopped before the balance stage where the charge power is reduced ~90%).

I now have 120km range without the heater and 90km with the heater on the 2nd tick.

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Re: Battery cell failing at just 2900 km (1800 miles)

Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:33 am

PV1 wrote:What you may start to notice is that after every charge, your range will continue to decrease.


Oddly enough, after two weeks of intense use I now have 2 bars more on the battery gauge when fully charged and the car has more range. at first I had 12 bars when fully charged, now I have 14. the RR is gone from 82 km left to 95 (I know this is only indicative, but I also have more true range on the road). In these 2 weeks I experimented a lot and drained the battery completely most of the times (more than 10 kms on turtle), It is like one of the damaged cells had woken up with all these daily profound discharges after 2 years of sitting without charging / discharging.
Meanwhile the new battery pack has arrived. The dealer is waiting for "some pieces of electronic" (ECU?) that should be available next week, so my experimenting with the damaged pack is nearly over.
Unfortunately I discovered my obd reader is based on ELM327, so no CanIon data for now. I placed an order for an OBDLink MX on ebay, but since it is coming from the US (couldn't find it in Europe) I doubt I will have it before the battery swap.

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Re: Battery cell failing at just 2900 km (1800 miles)

Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:14 pm

That's a shame about not having CaniOn data. This is starting to sound like a lazy cell or two that simply fell out of balance, and your repeated use and charging (driving below two bars then recharging) has managed to bring the cells back into balance. I may try this with Koorz next summer, as I notice SoC sometimes jumps after parking the car for a few minutes, although this is all cells simultaneously and Koorz fully charges.

Keep on driving, as it now sounds like a challenge to get all bars back before getting a new pack.
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Re: Battery cell failing at just 2900 km (1800 miles)

Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:11 pm

Gyver wrote:Unfortunately I discovered my obd reader is based on ELM327, so no CanIon data for now. I placed an order for an OBDLink MX on ebay, but since it is coming from the US (couldn't find it in Europe) I doubt I will have it before the battery swap.


I think the icarSoft i620 can do the job. Is listed at amazon Italy for (total) 45€, and in a very few days you can run canIon.

If don't work, I suppose you can return it to Amazon...

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Re: Battery cell failing at just 2900 km (1800 miles)

Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:13 pm

Gyver wrote:.......
Unfortunately I discovered my obd reader is based on ELM327, so no CanIon data for now. I placed an order for an OBDLink MX on ebay, but since it is coming from the US (couldn't find it in Europe) I doubt I will have it before the battery swap.


The right device for canion is the OBDLINK LX (not MX): Bluetooth is cheaper and more stable than Wifi with canion....

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Re: Battery cell failing at just 2900 km (1800 miles)

Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:08 pm

Make sure that it's a real LX from scantool and not a counterfeit scamtool being sold on ebay--there are some out there that 'look' like the LX but are using elm chip internal and won't work.
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Re: Battery cell failing at just 2900 km (1800 miles)

Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:34 am

kiev wrote:Make sure that it's a real LX from scantool and not a counterfeit scamtool being sold on ebay--there are some out there that 'look' like the LX but are using elm chip internal and won't work.


This is the one I bought:
http://www.ebay.it/itm/171651829835?_tr ... EBIDX%3AIT
100% positive reviews and claims he is an authorized dealer.. I really hope this isn't a scamtool!

Barbagris what a pity I didn't read your post before, anyway tracking says the device is already in Italy, waiting for custom clearance, if the bureaucrats don't mess things up it should be here in some days. Meanwhile the Citroen dealership has called me today postponing the "operation" to the 23rd february, we'll see who comes first!

Now after 1 month, 2000 kms of deep discharging (riding the turtle till limp mode most of the time) and full recharging cycles It now shows 15 bars and 111 km / 105 km on the rr (depending on how I drove the day before) which is quite different than 12 bars and 82 kms I had when I received my c-zero

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Re: Battery cell failing at just 2900 km (1800 miles)

Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:13 am

Hopefully your OBDLink gets there soon. This is an interesting development, and appears to be showing the balancing system at work, bringing a cell back into line with the others.
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