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Re: How many miles should first bar last on low mile battery

Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:08 pm

I haven't seen anyone talk about whether the initial miles are flat, uphill or downhill. Keeping a moderate speed uphill will still drop that first bar quickly. Because the first bar seems to be very variable to me, I generally look at when I lose the second bar. In the summertime I lose the second bar after about 11 to 12 miles of driving. In the winter, with the seat heater and heater/blower on I've been getting around 8.5 to 10 miles for the first two bars over the same route.

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Re: How many miles should first bar last on low mile battery

Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:45 pm

Don,

The 2.7 miles I saw this morning for the first battery bar was at 30-35 miles per hour with a very light throttle foot, mostly flat terrain (maybe even a 20-30 ft drop) with no HVAC. Pretty much as soft as it gets. -Jim

Don wrote:The reports everyone is giving you of 6 to 8 miles on the first bar are NOT at 'highway speeds' If we can get 6 to 7 miles or so driving at 30 to 35 mph, then about half that would be about normal 'at highway speeds' - Your battery may not be as bad as you first thought
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Re: How many miles should first bar last on low mile battery

Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:27 am

Yes I agree the miles you are covering before the first bar on your fuel gauge disappears apears to be significantly low considering how the car is being driven and the terrain.

I really only see two ways to find out whats going on. One take the car into Mitsubishi service center and have them test the battery. Two purchase a android phone/tablet and OBD blue tooth scanner and run Canion app to see whats going on.

Trying to diagnose whats happening using just the fuel gauge bars and distance traveled is a stab in the dark guessing game at best.

Kurt.

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Re: How many miles should first bar last on low mile battery

Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:58 am

After the dealer tested my battery last week they told me that they could not produce any sort of hard copy of the results. I did not believe this coming from an automotive service background with another make of car. We could always produce a printout of some sort. To try to disprove this I called the other dealers in town and asked service writers if they could produce a printout of my fault codes if there were any and they all said no, the scan machine has no print function and no connection to the internet to send me a file of codes. Has anyone here been provided with hard copy of a battery capacity test from their Mitsubishi dealer?

My dealer wants me to be present when we run the tests tomorrow and I will stay for that. I will try to take some good clear pictures with my Nokia phone which has a nice camera. If I am unsatisfied with the depth of information I see I will consider buying the setup to run Canion.
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Re: How many miles should first bar last on low mile battery

Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:13 am

One thing I want to mention is that I really like this car. It has something to it that the Leaf doesn't have though I do like the Leaf a lot, too. I hope to own this car for a very long time. The potential battery issue I am having has nothing to do with Mitsubishi but rather was from abuse from the dealer I bought the car from. According to my service writer, the selling dealer ran the battery down and then let it sit as determined by the trouble codes present on the first scan. When I received the car it had 57 miles on it.

If you are reading this and are considering purchasing a new, old stock 2012 iMiEV then I would suggest making a full battery scan part of the deal. Be present for the scan and also make sure the car charges fully. I assumed my car would have a perfect battery but it was perhaps a bad assumption.

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Re: How many miles should first bar last on low mile battery

Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:05 am

Jiminy wrote:Has anyone here been provided with hard copy of a battery capacity test from their Mitsubishi dealer?


tonymil put some results, although there is little info.

tonymil wrote:I had my 8 month service/battery calibration and here is the report:

http://i.imgur.com/nW5bQUp.jpg

I'm trying to figure out how much capacity I've lost. From what I gather, the key figure is "Battery Current Capacity: 46.1 Ah".


I have seen some reports of Peugeot, (Euro clon), I think Mitsu have more better info than Peugeot.
...learning...

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Re: How many miles should first bar last on low mile battery

Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:24 pm

Well I took my car into the dealer this afternoon to get a first hand look at a battery diagnostic screens but the service writer surprised me and said that all they could do is just check for fault codes. I reminded him that he told me the other day that after I went down to 2 bars and back up 4-5 times we would look specifically at the battery today but he said they couldn't access the battery stuff without talking to Mitsubishi first to get specs of what Mitsubishi wanted to see. I am thinking that Mitsubishi doesn't want me to be present for this. The service writer said I would need to leave the car for up to a week! I said that was ridiculous and asked to speak with the service manager but he was out on an errand. Well, about then the iMiEV tech who would be doing the work walked up and I asked him directly what amount of time would be required to get the data that Mitsubishi needed to make a decision and he said "about one day". SO, I said that I wanted to get this going sooner rather than later and didn't want to drop the car off next Monday (right before Thanksgiving) like the service writer previously suggested. The writer and tech discussed in front of me what jobs they had lined up tomorrow and decided that since the iMiEV stuff involved a series of quick tests and a lot of waiting in between them that he could get my car in tomorrow and start the process. I went ahead and left the car and walked back to work which is only 5 minutes away since I didn't want to bring the car in at 7 the next morning (gotta get my beauty rest you know). Hopefully, I can get some good info tomorrow or Friday. I did tell them that I don't want to leave the car there for very long, especially if they get what they need to get me a new battery. We'll see.

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Re: How many miles should first bar last on low mile battery

Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:54 pm

Keep us posted, sure dose make you wonder if they actually have a clue how or even the ability / equipment to test the traction pack.The one week time frame was most likely suggested to get to to give up and be on your way.

Anyhow good luck with it all

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Re: How many miles should first bar last on low mile battery

Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:29 am

I asked my dealer to do a battery check (as part of the first year service), which they said they would. After picking the car back up, they said that the battery was good, but didn't have any paperwork or indication that a capacity test was done. I guess they don't do this anymore?
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Re: How many miles should first bar last on low mile battery

Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:35 am

If I was in the business of warrantying an expensive battery pack I would keep track of battery capacity as much as possible. The requirement may have gone away for owners to bring the cars in once a year for a battery check but I would think that they'd want to look to see if anything was outta whack if the car came in for service.
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