Malm
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Re: i-MiEV is one of 10 top automotive failures of last deca

Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:34 am

I think in Europe and Japan I-MiEV wouldn't be in that list. At least, here in Portugal, the i-MiEV is getting the attention of many people, and I never in the past was so asked about it then now. My experience is well known by the Portuguese EV enthusiasts, and surely made for the publicity of the i-MiEV much more then anything that Mitsubishi Portugal done. Now that many Portuguese can get one second hand bought on France or Spain by less then 10.000 €, some of them with less then 10.000 miles and one range like a new one, our number is increasing faster. I think soon the i-MiEV owners will be second place, by number, behind the Leaf, but with the marvelous feeling that the battery will last longer.
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Re: i-MiEV is one of 10 top automotive failures of last deca

Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:55 pm

Don wrote:
siai47 wrote:In addition, it was the first motorcycle to be built at Honda's Marysville facility to test the plant for future Goldwing production. I bought my original CBX new in '79 and later traded for a Kawasaki KZ-1300 (six cylinder, water cooling).
All '79's and early '80 models were made in Japan - They switched production over to Marysville in the middle of the 1980 model year

My current Candy Glory Red '79 (I also owned a Silver '79 earlier) has several modifications which make it better to ride . . . . and lots of Chrome on it too - If you follow the ICOA, it's known as the Katrina Bike and was on the cover of the Summer 2009 issue of the CBXpress

To add to my list of 'failures' that I've proudly owned over the years - I had a '65 Corvair Corsa convertible (140 HP 4X1 bbl carbs) for several years in the '70's . . . . my wife and I dated in that car. We bought another one, a '66 Corsa convertible about 30 years later and drove it to America's Largest Block Party (http://www.cruisinthecoast.com) for several years before selling it shortly after Katrina

When I was stationed at a radar site on the Oregon coast, the '65 held the site record time for the fastest time down the 3 mile twisty hill road leading to the site . . . . and also the 3rd fastest time Up the hill too! Loved both of those cars

Don


what's the deal with Corvair people buying I-mievs?

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those would be mine :mrgreen:
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Re: i-MiEV is one of 10 top automotive failures of last deca

Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:30 pm

This article caught my eye because of the negativity in the title; however, it turned out to be a good read: http://autoweek.com/article/drive-revie ... ar-america

Is this author a member of this forum?

If so, speak up!
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Re: i-MiEV is one of 10 top automotive failures of last deca

Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:07 pm

Phximiev wrote:This article caught my eye because of the negativity in the title; however, it turned out to be a good read: http://autoweek.com/article/drive-revie ... ar-america


Awesome! He joins Aaron Robinson as a pedigreed automotive journalist that owns and daily-drives the i-MiEV.
http://www.caranddriver.com/columns/i-b ... use-column

I haven't seen more from Aaron since this column, it's coming up on one year with the car for him, so will try to poke him for a follow-up.
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Re: i-MiEV is one of 10 top automotive failures of last deca

Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:57 pm

Well, the vast majority of the I-Miev electrical side spawned the Outlander PHEV, which is a runaway success.

The I-Miev was just too expensive, as was the original Insight, and they were both a bit small for the regular Joe, with too many compromises perceived at the time.

It depends on what you call a failure. Windows was a failure originally, now look at that.

Very few things released at the early-adopter stage are a success, but that doesnt mean they are failures - it depends on the criteria of a 'failure' - theirs may be different from mine, journalists are not scientists.

No doubt the I-Miev was a commercial failure as a standalone project, but certainly not an R&D failure for Mitsubishi inc., nor effectively a proof of concept failure.

Count yourself lucky if you managed to pick up an I for 5000-1000, I consider that to be a success in market economics.
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Re: i-MiEV is one of 10 top automotive failures of last deca

Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:56 am

The failure with the i-MiEV was marketing and car reviewers who don't get it. It's hard to sell a car when only those in the know or happen to stumble upon it know about it. I found out about the i-MiEV through a video game :roll: (by the way, Gran Turismo 6 has the 2003 i concept pictured in the "aero mods to reduce drag" thread at the top of page 10).

My "failure" has saved me about $5,000 in fuel and oil so far :mrgreen: . So, that means for a $27,000 purchase price (without incentives), I should break even in 15 years, or 11 years with incentives (final price total of $20,904), IF the Cavalier or even the i-MiEV would last that long.
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Re: i-MiEV is one of 10 top auto failures of last decade - N

Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:09 pm

Phximiev wrote:This article caught my eye ...http://autoweek.com/article/drive-revie ... ar-america
Kudos to Mark Vaughn for his article - another enlightened person! :idea: The not-unusual negative scenarios he described ("what if I need to go to Vegas tomorrow?") he dealt with humorously and perceptively. Thank you for exposing the practicality of our little workpony. Due to the low total sales, we're probably going to be viewed as a cult classic in the future - like the 2CV. Incidentally, "I couldn't take it any more" and took the liberty of changing the title of this thread. :roll:
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Re: i-MiEV is one of 10 top auto failures of last decade - N

Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:50 pm

I did send an email complimenting his article to one of the editors on the "Contact Us" page.

I suggest that others from this forum do so also.

Couldn't hurt! :D
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Re: i-MiEV is one of 10 top auto failures of last decade - N

Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:55 pm

I've not had my miev for very long. But the only thing I would have to say to the review is, in the 6,000 miles that I have driven my little car, would have have had to do at least 1 oil change, and at least a dozen hours either in a filling station, waiting in line at a filling station, looking for a filling station or washing up from using a filling station...
But no - I've never spent a minute in a stinky gas station or jiffy lube with my little miev. And never will. Yes my 'gas' is a little expensive buying at the top tier pricing (until I go to off peak pricing), but my little miev is sooooo much more efficient - it not only saves energy to get me around.... it even saves my time ;-)


Forgive me for my bias, but it seems like those that are too opinionated should probably work harder at keeping their opinions to themselves - instead of making a living from it.
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