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Re: New Sins and Old Sins...Mitsu Fuel Economy

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Re: New Sins and Old Sins...Mitsu Fuel Economy

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Re: New Sins and Old Sins...Mitsu Fuel Economy

Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:42 pm

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Re: New Sins and Old Sins...Mitsu Fuel Economy

Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:37 pm

Second wind for i-Miev? http://www.greencarreports.com/news/111 ... mitsubishi

Or something new? Or nothing at all?
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Re: New Sins and Old Sins...Mitsu Fuel Economy

Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:24 am

I don't think Carlos was ever a fan of the i-MiEV, so I'm not holding my breath.

I posted this comment in reply to why we haven't seen the Outlander PHEV in the US:

The excuse we've been hearing is that they can't build enough batteries to meet demand.

After their disastrous marketing failure of the i-MiEV, their dealers don't want any plug-ins on their lots. The initial batch of 2012 i-MiEVs took over a year to sell because corporate never advertised the car and nobody outside of a small group of people knew about them beforehand.

It's a shame, too. The i-MiEV is a wonderful car, with many owners having two (myself included). With a bigger battery and faster on-board charger, it could go toe to toe with the Bolt (both cars are the same size).
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Re: New Sins and Old Sins...Mitsu Fuel Economy

Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:01 am

PV1, thanks for the measured response in their Comments. When I read this article yesterday, my blood boiled at the sentence "As for electric cars, could the tiny, aged, and mediocre Mitsubishi i-MiEV get a second wind thanks to Nissan’s input?" but I bit my tongue and didn't lash out.

Our i-MiEV is anything but mediocre, I prefer to use the words 'well-seasoned' instead of 'aged' :roll: , is anything but tiny inside, and best BEV value out there. Without doing anything other than a larger charger (as PV1 suggested), I wonder just how much more capacity could be crammed into the existing battery package, recognizing the improvements in the last 9 years? This would allow Mitsu/Nissan to continue the i-MiEV line with negligible additional tooling cost.

Sadly, in this day and age, substance goes unrecognized and I'm afraid it's all about 'image'
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Re: New Sins and Old Sins...Mitsu Fuel Economy

Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:42 am

While I haven't yet driven a Bolt, I sat in one back in February, and based on the feel, I'm under the impression that Chevy based it off the I-MiEV. The seat height is very similar, exterior and interior dimensions are almost identical (the Bolt being a tad longer with a bit more rear storage), and both cars aren't very wide (the Bolt being a tad wider to accommodate a center console).

I'm having a hard time deciding that, if I would need to augment or replace my I-MiEVs, whether I would prefer the Bolt or the Model 3. The Bolt is very similar, but I also liked having an enclosed trunk in the Cavalier. Oh well, drifting off-topic.

I got annoyed when they said that in the article (knowing that our cars are the same size as a RAV4), but with the exception of the Volt, all plug-ins are largely unchanged from when they were released in 2011. They're all starting to show age (not that it's a bad thing). As far as possible battery capacity, the I-MiEV's battery case could easily hold 30 kWh if not more (napkin math shows 80 Ah of 18650 cells fitting easily in the same space as a single 50 Ah LEV50 cell with room left over). A 30 kWh pack would net a 105-mile EPA range, but a 40 kWh pack would net 140 miles of range. If they would re-vamp the I-MiEV, there are only 3 or 4 things I would change:

1. Larger battery pack with modern cells
2. 6.6 kW or larger on-board charger (ideally, all plug-ins should have a 10 or 20 kWh OBC to make full use of the J1772 spec).
3. Reduce the throttle ramp from 0-25 to 0-5 MPH.
4. Locking differential instead of Brake Force Distribution.
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Re: New Sins and Old Sins...Mitsu Fuel Economy

Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:14 am

PV1 wrote:.. If they would re-vamp the I-MiEV, there are only 3 or 4 things I would change:
1. Larger battery pack with modern cells
2. 6.6 kW or larger on-board charger (ideally, all plug-ins should have a 10 or 20 kWh OBC to make full use of the J1772 spec).
3. Reduce the throttle ramp from 0-25 to 0-5 MPH.
4. Locking differential instead of Brake Force Distribution.
Getting a tiny bit off-topic (and maybe should be moved into the Suggestions for Mitsubishi thread), I agree that throttle ramp-up should be almost instantaneous (I thought it was time dependent and not speed-dependent), but wouldn't a locking differential be deadly on ice?
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Re: New Sins and Old Sins...Mitsu Fuel Economy

Mon May 01, 2017 5:51 am

It would certainly help when climbing my driveway in the winter. While the Brake Force Distribution works pretty well on a slick road to get going, I can't say the same for trying to climb concrete. I can usually get one side of the car on dry pavement, but I'm still stuck there spinning the wheel that's on ice. Perhaps have a button in the car that will lock the differential? Make it so that it has to be activated by the driver and automatically unlocks above 20 MPH.
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3 years with the i-MiEV and loving every mile!

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