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Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:42 am

I am not sure I totally agree that the battery is 50% of the cost of the car any more. The cost of batteries have been going down a lot lately and battery manufactures are investing big in new production. In fact, we will see 12 new giga factories in the world like the one in Nevada being build by Tesla. These new factories are to meet the future needs of the EV world.

I believe it is the car manufactures that are keeping the prices high until regulation (Café standard) force them. They know the transition is coming so they are preparing for it but they are not going to hurry it on. The problem with this is that with climate change, we need leadership from more than one car company other than Tesla.

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Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

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Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:14 am

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Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:58 pm

The timing I am seeing is we have ~8 years to stop using ALL fossil fuels - to avoid >2C warming.

And that may well be too optimistic.

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/how-many-gigatons-of-co2/
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Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:17 pm

Sadly, thinks are unfolding pretty much as Carl Sagan warned us they would back in the 1980's

https://climatecrocks.com/2011/09/05/ca ... l-warming/

Nearly everyone understands it to be fact today . . . . except for the majority of those in Washington who write our laws - Many of them can't see much farther than the end of their noses and only vote for what's best for them, and only in the very short term

What can we do? It's pretty much all our faults - We sent them up there and even though we can plainly see they're not doing the right thing much of the time, we keep re-electing them . . . .

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Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

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Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:40 am

Don wrote:Sadly, thinks are unfolding pretty much as Carl Sagan warned us they would back in the 1980's

https://climatecrocks.com/2011/09/05/ca ... l-warming/

Nearly everyone understands it to be fact today . . . . except for the majority of those in Washington who write our laws - Many of them can't see much farther than the end of their noses and only vote for what's best for them, and only in the very short term

What can we do? It's pretty much all our faults - We sent them up there and even though we can plainly see they're not doing the right thing much of the time, we keep re-electing them . . . .

Don


It can only be dealt with by a global effort. The Chinese have no interest whatsoever, the US have been dragging their feet for far too long, small countries like the UK can put forward a loud voice (going to be smaller soon when we leave the EU, and we are pretty bad at seeing things through like everyone else), but governments can sign up to whatever they want, but ultimately the public has to be able to afford the change, and the infrastructure needed to accomplish it has to be there. Most of the world can't afford that, so its up to those that can to make headway. Are we doing that - not in any way close to what's needed to create the momentum.

Credit to GM and BMW (and Tesla) - at least the new 200 mile plus ranges we now see are going to help people switch - but the costs are simply too high still. Batteries are much less costly than before, but the prices dont seem to reflect that fall always.

To make a real difference, the changes we face would influence all areas of life, and that comes at a time of rising living costs and lowering wages - it's not a great position to be in.

Under our political setups, it all takes far too long, and is too easily derailed, and there are too many greedy business fingers in the pie.
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Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:58 pm

Climate Change, Explained in One Simple Graph (with a touch of humor):

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/climate-change-xkcd-comic-20696
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Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:12 pm

JoeS wrote:Climate Change, Explained in One Simple Graph (with a touch of humor):

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/climate-change-xkcd-comic-20696

A pinch of humor, a pound of horror.

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Re: Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:24 am

I am glad to hear that some news outlets are starting to report specifically on climate change:

http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2016/09/19/climate-change-physicist
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