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Re: Dearman

Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:39 pm

Are you British, or do you just love us?

We could end up being the 51st state if we vote to leave the EU tomorrow... hmm then we would have to listen to Trump more/ possibly have him as a leader.
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Re: Dearman

Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:07 pm

:lol:

European mutt heritage, Scottish, Irish, German, French, Dutch, and who knows what else!

I rather hope that you stay in the EU. I think it would be better in promoting electrification. Don't know enough about anything else tho.
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Re: Dearman

Thu Jun 23, 2016 1:47 am

Phximiev wrote::lol:

European mutt heritage, Scottish, Irish, German, French, Dutch, and who knows what else!

I rather hope that you stay in the EU. I think it would be better in promoting electrification. Don't know enough about anything else tho.


Probably better to keep non-EV politics out of the forum - but our vote on remaining or leaving the EU is obviously a black/white decision. Most people are however very marginally above or below a middle shade of gray, like me.

It's actually the most democratic moment in my lifetime, as you aren't voting for some clown in a sharp suit to tell you what's good for you, but rather a constitutional change based on what your ideals of democracy, sovereignty and law-making are.

Its not going to be the end of the world either way - but it is going to divide the country in half - but it already was anyway.

The campaign on both sides has been horrible - mainly personal, immigration biased, and completely lacking in any requisite data and statistics... funny for politicians to do that.

There is also a very good debate that is titled something like 'size of the economy does not correlate well at all to the individuals quality of life'.

If we do leave, we will undoubtedly drop from our current ranking of 5th largest global economy - a statistic that I still find amazing in 2016. Also, apparently, due to our fairly high personal taxes (the UK is of course a corporate tax haven, but very much not a personal one), we are financially worse off by income per capita than all US states except Alabama - which again is a truly amazing stat - but then of course these are averages based on established land borders.

When you look at a politician like Boris Johnson, one has to grin at the hilarity of the state we are in, but then you've got a Donald.

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Re: Dearman

Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:57 am

But . . . . I think I heard on CNN this morning that the voter turnout is expected to be 85%!! We've *never * seen anything close to that on this side of the pond - Everybody loves to moan and complain, but few of them seem to have the time or inclination to go to the polls to make their wishes *official*. Sadly, 30 or 35% is about the norm over here

But them we can have an issue 90% of all Americans are in favor of (No fly, No buy for example) and that won't even come up for a vote in our congress! Of the people, by the people, for the people went by the wayside long ago

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Re: Dearman

Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:43 am

Don wrote:But . . . . I think I heard on CNN this morning that the voter turnout is expected to be 85%!! We've *never * seen anything close to that on this side of the pond - Everybody loves to moan and complain, but few of them seem to have the time or inclination to go to the polls to make their wishes *official*. Sadly, 30 or 35% is about the norm over here

But them we can have an issue 90% of all Americans are in favor of (No fly, No buy for example) and that won't even come up for a vote in our congress! Of the people, by the people, for the people went by the wayside long ago

Don


I think 85% registered to vote, but that doesn't mean all of them actually vote. I'll be interested to see what the final turnout is. The bets are on remain.
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Re: Dearman

Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:10 am

phb10186 wrote:Also, apparently, due to our fairly high personal taxes (the UK is of course a corporate tax haven, but very much not a personal one), we are financially worse off by income per capita than all US states except Alabama - which again is a truly amazing stat - but then of course these are averages based on established land borders.

I'm pretty sure you guys are way better off than Alabama.

The biggest difference is that your taxes pay for your health care, ours don't.

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Re: Dearman

Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:15 pm

wmcbrine wrote:
phb10186 wrote:Also, apparently, due to our fairly high personal taxes (the UK is of course a corporate tax haven, but very much not a personal one), we are financially worse off by income per capita than all US states except Alabama - which again is a truly amazing stat - but then of course these are averages based on established land borders.

I'm pretty sure you guys are way better off than Alabama.

The biggest difference is that your taxes pay for your health care, ours don't.


Behold... maybe BS:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall ... d8a3883fab

And the argument, which explains that high costs of living is the driver:

http://time.com/3198225/britain-poorest-state/

Yeah, can't argue with the healthcare benefits one bit, as wasteful as it is (estimates are about 40-50% of total), it is orders of magnitude more efficient against the shambollically inefficient US model... Note I did not mention anything about quality, because we all know that the cutting edge of medicine is delivered in the US... it just costs a fair bit.

Hence our fuel is about 8 US per gallon... not that I care about that anymore. However, living costs in London these days are ludicrous, thus I am mortgaged to the hilt and essentially a wage slave for the benefits of the establishment etc.

Lastly, let's not forget that despite the pictures of Big Ben and Buckingham Palace and all the Queens Rolls Royce's, there is a huge amount of income disparity, and a lot of poor areas that don't feature on many postcards or Facebook pages.
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British Politics

Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:56 am

Moved a bunch of related posts into this new thread.

I'm sure Cameron is kicking himself for having offered this referendum.
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Re: British Politics

Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:06 am

Thanks for the separate topic.

The more light-hearted side of the issue: http://www.newsday.com/opinion/cartoons ... 1.11958009
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Re: British Politics

Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:56 am

Phximiev wrote:The more light-hearted side of the issue: http://www.newsday.com/opinion/cartoons ... 1.11958009

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