pbui19
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Re: Hatched a Tesla

Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:49 pm

very nice write up Joes, look forward to hear the continuing adventure. One question, do you at time wish you had the Auto Lane Keeping/Autopilot feature ? is it worth the extra $3K ? especially for such long trip ?

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Re: Hatched a Tesla

Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:20 pm

Phximiev wrote:Ok, can I get one used for under $10k? :D

If so, I'll take it.

We just need some terrible auto reviews and our dreams could come true! :lol:
Elon might not let that happen though. 8-)
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Re: Hatched a Tesla

Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:05 am

pbui19 wrote:...One question, do you at time wish you had the Auto Lane Keeping/Autopilot feature ? is it worth the extra $3K ? especially for such long trip ?...
Of course I would have loved to own the fully-sensored model, which was introduced in September 2014. Trouble is, when I was looking a few months ago the Autopilot-equipped cars commanded a $30K price differential (not $3K) on the used-car market! On long trips, especially, that lane-keeping feature would be really decadent but wonderful. Another byproduct of all those sensors (for a small-car person like me) is that they exactly measure and display the distances between the car and the objects around it when moving the car around in close quarters.

Anyway, I don't have it and doing just fine driving the car 'conventionally'.

A side observation: the vehicles that could really use the lane-keeping feature are large trucks. It is really disturbing how many truck drivers seem to be inattentive - much more than I recall in all my past years of highway driving.
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Re: Hatched a Tesla

Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:34 pm

JoeS wrote:A side observation: the vehicles that could really use the lane-keeping feature are large trucks. It is really disturbing how many truck drivers seem to be inattentive - much more than I recall in all my past years of highway driving.


Most likely some texting and face book messaging are the issues. I've noticed the same trend with the big trucks. Also, with cars but more of that seems to be on the surface streets.

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Re: Hatched a Tesla

Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:47 am

Arrived home at the end of June after a fantastic 45-day 10,098-mile journey. Went East the southern route (Interstate 10) down to Key West, then up the East Coast to Virginia, then zig-zagged to western Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Ohio and then across the middle of the country and up to Idaho and Oregon from Colorado before coming down to the San Francisco Bay Area. Were it not for external pressures, we could have easily spent another month touring this country - as it was, we stopped short of Washington DC as we had to head home. I actually took a quick drive up to Oregon over July 4 weekend to retrieve my wife from Medford. We loved the trip and the sightseeing and museums, and it was great seeing so many old friends scattered around the country whom I hadn't seen in years.

Simplistic impressions -

1. The Tesla is a wonderful long-distance car. Only once during the trip did we have to cool our heels (for half an hour) to charge the car and that was simply because I forgot to plug it in the night before. The rest of the time the car was always ready to go before we were, as we were always busy doing something - usually eating or touristing. 115kW SuperCharging is fantastic!

2. It's a beautiful country!

3. People are very nice, everywhere. Unfortunately, most seem to eat too much.

4. Whereas in California we have our earthquakes and forest fires, much of the rest of the country has heat, humidity, floods, hurricanes, hailstorms, tornados, and mosquitos. Luckily, we were able to avoid most of these, with some close calls.

5. Electric cars, home solar, greenhouse gas emission reduction, and energy and water conservation is a California thing. Whereas it was nice to see windfarms in the midwest, I was saddened by the scarcity of home solar and electric cars in the rest of the country. Won't get into some of the disturbing geopolitical and environmental discussions we had to endure...

6. Fox News is the entertainment media of choice at motel breakfasts across the country.

7. Generalizing, the vehicles of choice in most of the country are pickup trucks and large SUVs, none of which have working turn signals.

8. The country has many wonderful museums and national parks.

9. The country is littered with shopping centers, all indistinguishable from each other.

The Tesla was positively received everywhere (primarily drawn by its looks), with many people asking what it was and being astounded that it was pure electric "it's so quiet". If anything will change the perspective on EVs in this country, it will be the eye-popping Tesla performance specs which good 'ol boys understand and can relate to.

It was great to get back into the i-MiEV after getting home - it's nice being able to throw the car around, turn on a dime, and not worry about hurting it.

Whereas we took hundreds of photos and I could bore everyone with an interminable slideshow, I simply selected a few -

Proof that we got to the southeastern end of the country.

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Tesla screen statistics for the trip (Trip A), with Trip B showing what we covered since I bought the car.

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Sign by an electric car in the Tallahassee Automobile Museum

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I thought this was fitting, taken next to a charging station in Lake Land College, Illinois

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Re: Hatched a Tesla

Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:04 am

Great write up Joe,
i've always been a long distance road trip enthusiast .
:D
Having reserved the M3 & should are plans work out, - we are hoping to pick it up at the factory in California and experience a cross continent drive back to Montreal, and also to journey on the route 66 .

If you would do it over, is there anything you would have done differently.

Thanks for sharing the experience,
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Re: Hatched a Tesla

Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:43 am

What !!!! 292 Wh/mi . I have an average lifetime of 190 Wh/mi. on my I-Miev. Is it because of a lead foot or the wheight of the car ?

Otherwise nice short description of america.

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Re: Hatched a Tesla

Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:22 am

I'd say highway driving and A/C are the biggest factors, both of which are more the exception than the norm for i-MiEVs.

Glad you enjoyed the trip.
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Re: Hatched a Tesla

Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:27 am

Love your posts about your trip. Sorry we couldn't have met when you were in Florida. That being said, I am going to take the Tesla from Florida to Michigan next week. This will be my first multiple supercharger road trip. Lots of superchargers on the trip (I-75) so it shouldn't be a big deal---more like an adventure. Glad your adventure went well for you.

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Re: Hatched a Tesla

Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:32 pm

Thank you all for your comments. I'm afraid that I was being too harsh on the rest of the country, as evidenced by all the astute members of this forum.
Pier wrote:What !!!! 292 Wh/mi . I have an average lifetime of 190 Wh/mi. on my I-Miev. Is it because of a lead foot or the wheight of the car ?...
Pier, actually, it's even worse, as the display shows battery-to-wheels, not wall-to-wheels. To answer your comment, in a nutshell:

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When I bought the car it had 30,000 miles on it and it showed 350Wh/mi by the previous owner, so we're doing a bit better. Don't forget, I'm proud of my hypermiling skills - here is the lifetime consumption for my Honda Insight (true 77.0mpg) that was totaled when a drunk driver hit me:

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With the i-MiEV, I rarely need to hypermile, and for the first 8000miles of my i-MiEV ownership and driving 'normally' I kept meticulous records, with my measured wall to wheels consumption being 238Wh/mi (148Wh/km) or 4.2 miles/kWh. Nowhere near as good as yours, Pier (190Wh/mi = 5.26mi/kWh lifetime - wow!).
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Nowadays with the i-MiEV, I'm a leadfoot.

With the Tesla, the only time I needed to be careful was crossing the vast expanses of New Mexico and Texas with no SuperChargers, and even then I didn't need to get too serious about it. In regular driving between SuperChargers there is absolutely no need to conserve, and I simply set the Cruise Control to whatever was the speed limit and let her go.

Incidentally, as a law-abiding citizen driving right at the 80mph speed limit, it was disconcerting to be continuously passed by large trucks! :evil:
sandange wrote:...If you would do it over, is there anything you would have done differently?
Yes, bought a Tesla sooner. :roll:

sandange, The trip was really little-different from that in an ICE car. I had pretty-well prepared myself for the trip, primarily with my huge collection of power connector adapters and a small cooler with lots of water as I need to stay hydrated. As discussed elsewhere on this forum, iPad charging station and RV park locators make life easy for a BEV nowadays.

With no spare tire, my only nagging concern was getting a flat tire (especially in the middle of nowhere in Texas) but I compromised by having a tire puncture repair kit and a pump. I felt it was too much weight to carry a spare wheel+tire, a serious jack (the car is very heavy), and a monster lug-wrench (Tesla wheel nuts require 220ft-lb torque! Edit: THIS IS WRONG - the number is 129ft-lb (175Nm). :oops: Thank you siai47). We were lucky, and had no flats.

Our no-schedule trip was far better than having every night planned out, as we often made unscheduled stops during the day at local attractions in response to billboard ads or suggestions from locals. Reminded us of cruising: as evening approached we'd decide to drop anchor and simply pull off at the next available motel; yes, some of the Tesla SuperChargers or HPWCs were at up$cale places (uh, no thank you), yet others were quite reasonable. Even on Memorial Day weekend we were able to find inexpensive hotels/motels in Florida. The distinction between hotel and motel is blurred nowadays.

If we happened to stop at a hotel that had a charging station, I would set the timer to charge to 60% in the evening, and then in the morning before breakfast would charge it up to whatever I needed for the next leg of the trip. Never charged to 100%, and usually stopped at 80%SoC. Similarly, at the bottom end only once went down to 13%SoC (Bisbee AZ to Las Cruces NM) and normally charged just enough to get us to the next charging station with around 25%SoC remaining.
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