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Re: Riversimple

Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:00 pm

Phximiev wrote:Below are the responses I received from both VCA and Euro NCAP showing that the Rasa has not been crash tested yet. One question raised from these inquiries is the effect of Brexit on thes regulations.

VCA and Euro NCAP between the lines:

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VCA have not carried out nor witnessed a crash test on a Riversimple Rasa.

However, VCA would not have seen any tests carried out as part of the vehicle's development work. VCA would only become involved if the crash test were being used as part of the vehicle's European whole vehicle type approval process.

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Kevin

Kevin Bridges
Technical Support Group Manager
VCA Midlands Centre
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Nuneaton
Warwickshire
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It should be noted that the above represents our opinion as interpretation of the law is the sole prerogative of the courts.

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Thank you for your interest in Euro NCAP.

The Riversimple Rasa has not been tested yet. However, we test new cars regularly, so we would advise you to keep checking our website for updates.

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Kind regards,
Sigrid

Euro NCAP Online Communications Assistant
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2 things, and I'm sure a fellow Brit will correct me if I am wrong:

1. You only need the the full EU testing certification if you have a product over a certain number of units, so if you are in pre-production phase you only need something called 'Type approval' which is probably some very old British military standard or terminology. See the different types of things: http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/vehicletype/t ... for-ca.asp

Basically if you make a kit car, like a Caterham or AC Cobra replica, clearly there has to be a mechanism to allow these cars to be registered for road use, even though they may have been screwed together by a halfwit, and kill you in any sort of crash.

2. You don't need EU type approval if you are not in the EU! But you would clearly have to meet it if you wanted to export there.
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Re: Riversimple

Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:55 pm

That answered a few questions, but leaves the main one un-answered: Does Riversimple have to crash test the Rasa? And if so, when does this happen in their auto development life cycle?

I still believe that the Rasa is a nifty idea/concept, but who wants to risk getting in a car that hasn't been crash tested?
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Re: Riversimple

Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:46 pm

Phximiev wrote:That answered a few questions, but leaves the main one un-answered: Does Riversimple have to crash test the Rasa? And if so, when does this happen in their auto development life cycle?

I still believe that the Rasa is a nifty idea/concept, but who wants to risk getting in a car that hasn't been crash tested?


Nope. They only need type approval for now.

If they want an EU market, they would have to go through the Euro NCAP tests (which the imiev did pretty well in actually), and that includes sales in the UK. It's up to them to sort that when they want the public to use them.
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Re: Riversimple

Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:02 pm

Does that mean that before they start their 'beta' with 20 cars (or whatever number they eventually use), that they must complete a crash test?

I am assuming that their leasing model also constitutes a 'sale' to the public in the UK?
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Re: Riversimple

Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:32 am

Phximiev wrote:Does that mean that before they start their 'beta' with 20 cars (or whatever number they eventually use), that they must complete a crash test?

I am assuming that their leasing model also constitutes a 'sale' to the public in the UK?



I'm not an expert here, but it is likely that one of the factors involved in deciding what insurance group the car falls in is based on the crash test results: probability of injury/ pedestrian safety and so on.

So any made of sale, lease or rent would require the individual to have insurance.

Insurance regulations are atypical in the UK, as the insurance is on the driver for the car, rather than just on the car, or just on the driver.

So, if I want to drive a car, I need insurance for me on that car... it's not a case of the car being insured and anyone can drive it.

If I want to drive someone else's car, or they drive mine, they can only do that if they themselves are insured on their own policy, and I give them permission to drive it on mine... because if they crash it would be their insurance that covered it...if it's stimulated in their policy.

It's a stupid system... but it allows them to charge based on the risk of the driver and the car.
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Re: Riversimple

Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:26 am

So it's wait on the crash test.

Here, and I'm no expert, I believe that the insurance goes with the car rather than the driver.
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Re: Riversimple

Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:30 pm

Phximiev wrote:So it's wait on the crash test.

Here, and I'm no expert, I believe that the insurance goes with the car rather than the driver.


I think it does in the US (not sure about all states) - but from my time spent there, it has always been that the car is insured, and others can drive it.
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Re: Riversimple

Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:45 pm

In my own opinion, a hydrogen fueling station for each school bus terminal supporting a fleet of hydrogen fuel cell school buses, similar to the Aberdeen project posted above, is probably feasible:

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/index.ph ... ool-buses/

With the fueling station cost spread out over many school buses and over a number of years, and as in Aberdeen, open to the public, feasibility is further supported.

I also believe there would be a huge market for this notion.
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Re: Riversimple

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Re: Riversimple

Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:19 pm

Phximiev wrote:Another provocative argument: http://www.riversimple.com/batteries-hy ... -question/

:idea:


Provocative perhaps because its misleading? I don't buy this oversimplified chart at all.
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The Model S competition? Well, a Porsche Panamera gets 18 combined mpg and a BMW 750i rates 20 mpg. Where's that decreasing rate of return on long range EVs?
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