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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:14 pm

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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:37 pm

Well thanks Mitsubishi---as if you cared. It looks like with that timetable the Volt is in and the Outlander is an outlier. I am really mad at GM as the Volt is going to be a California and the 5 California emission states only for October delivery. Ordering will start in October for the rest of us peons and hopefully delivery will be before the first of next year for the tax credit. I guess GM wants bonus emission credits in California so they can sell more Escalades. Even with these delays, it sounds like the Volt will come first. I told the owner of the Mitsubishi dealer that I bought my two I-MiEV's from that would buy whichever vehicle hit the showroom first but I didn't think it would be the Outlander. Face it--Mitsubishi is in deep trouble as far as product in the US market is concerned and they don't seem to want to deliver something that they could sell that has no competition here.

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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:52 pm

Okay, now coming in May. Bout 'damn time, Mitsubishi!
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/109 ... ly-markets
Wish I could halfway trust 'em to not push the date, but at this point I'll just wait till our van dies or a good deal comes along on a 7-seat EV or PHEV.
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Outlander PHEV - no CHAdeMO for the USA?!

Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:12 pm

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/110 ... ort-in-u-s

Not EVen as an option, quite disappointing. Local fast-charging greatly increased the utility of an i-MiEV, and I'm willing to fast charge at a higher cost than the equivalent miles in gasoline. BUT, in a PHEV, that tradeoff is more challenging because the DCFC gains you less range per stop, and the gasoline option is a seamless transition with no immediate time cost.

Assuming that the PHEV Outlander gets 30 highway mpg after the charge is depleted, and gas prices average $3 gal over the next few years, that's 10 cents/mile. If it gets the claimed 3.12 miles/kWh and you spend $0.49/kWh at a Blink DCFC, that's 15.7 cents per mile. So, how many EVen on this forum would pay a 57% premium to go through the inconvenience of fast-charging rather than just keep driving on gasoline? We wouldn't break even until gas hits $4.71!

At my 10 cents/kwh home electricity cost, that's only 3.2 cents per mile; only one third the cost of gas in the Outlander. That's enticing, but I may concede the point about DCFC on a PHEV.

Now if Mitsu would offer the whole-house electric backup unit that runs off a CHAdeMO port? Sign me up. Allow that vehicle-to-house appliance to fast-charge the car? I'll pay more. Allow the Outlander PHEV to fast-charge the i-MiEV with a CHAdeMO umbilical? I'd pay EVen more to keep it in the family.
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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:21 pm

Your post is the best explanation as to why the Outlander was mainly selling in the EU. It had quite favorable subsidies and road tax cuts over the past few years. Also, with petrol being 7$ to 9$ a gallon in the EU it makes quite a bit more sense here then it does for 3$ a gallon ;)

It's quite the popular car though because it's still a practical 4WD SUV with loads of room and with electricity you can get 80mpg. The DCFC was almost never used in the EU, it doesn't make much sense, most people only used the 3.3kW charger because that fit the usage profile most used. It was either a long trip and they didn't care, or it was a short trip to work, charge while at work, and drive back and charge at home.

The DCFC is more of a left over from the i-Miev origins :)

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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:08 am

Fresh update: http://insideevs.com/2017-mitsubishi-outlander-phev-exterior-and-interior-walkaround-in-new-york/
Good video, shows a gearshift with N, D, B modes- no Eco, and silly 225/55R18 tires on the show car, same as the fully-trimmed gasser, which comes in base trim with 215/70R16. It does not show the cargo area or rear seat folding...
Of course, another delay -till November now, and no word on pricing...
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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:26 am

More of the same. Boring is Mitsubishi.

http://insideevs.com/mitsubishi-pulls-p ... low-sales/
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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:41 am

Why would it be delayed again? There should be extra capacity now that they don't send them to Russia. :lol:

They're heading down the road of Aptera, not releasing it until they think it's "perfect". That road doesn't end well.

Who was in charge of the i-MiEV rollout? Maybe that person should be put in charge of rolling out the Outlander (i-MiEV made it to PA earlier than expected, and actually beat the LEAF to my local dealers).
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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:31 am

Outlander PHEV update per InsideEVs: http://insideevs.com/mitsubishi-again-p ... he-latest/
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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:49 pm

Phximiev wrote:Outlander PHEV update per InsideEVs: http://insideevs.com/mitsubishi-again-p ... he-latest/


Well looks like Europe and Japan are consuming the full production capability, so they have to decide to open another line, but that means being confident that they can shift all those cars, and they have to be confident that demand doesn't reduce in Japan and Europe, so; given the fact that Nissan now calls the shots - I wonder if they are just going to run the production capacity they have, and launch in the US once demand shudders in Europe/ Japan... and the falling value of the £ is pushing import prices up now, so the PHEV will go up about 5% this year.

I concur with Inside EV's stats (hate pie charts!) living where I do on the outskirts of London, those PHEVs are everywhere, and I would see several every day (maybe the same ones all the time though) and its been a while since Mitsubishi have had a success like that.

It's a good car, but I don't think the build quality (notably the interior quality) matches up to the RAV 4 or CR-V at all - though the face-lifted one is a big improvement, both outside and inside.

I have been thinking about one of these for my wife... but it's a decision between that and a RAV-4, and since she does such a low annual mileage now, I'm not sure if I will see the savings. And the RAV-4 she used to have was such a fine car, albeit a gas guzzler by todays standards.

It's a bit of strange car, as it's got 30-40 miles of EV range, but once that's exhausted, the engine isn't one of the most economical or best out there, and i have seen reports that complain about the non-electric fuel consumption, so it's good if you have the right daily commute, or the car beats emission rules around where you can park/ go in central London/ company car tax liability - all of which are heavily influenced by the CO2 emissions of the vehicle in the UK. ... That's the reason for it's success - it gets around tax liability - not because people really want a PHEV or an Outlander. Not sure if those regs exist in the US or not.

Overall, yeah it's a nice car, but its not cheap for what it is.

I normally dont agree with most of the motoring press, but of the lot, I regard 'Honest John.co.uk' as the most unbiased. Full review here:

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/mi ... phev-2014/

Phixy - I know you like a good read of a decent website, so I think you should have a surf around this one. Interestingly the IMIEV didnt score so well (its subjective after all), but I would think if it was released in 2017 it would score higher... Have a look at 'Car by Car' reviews.
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