jray3
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Outlander PHEV thread

Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:19 am

There have been many mentions of the Outlander PHEV, but no dedicated thread, so here goes. InsideEvs.com brought my attention to the best video review I've seen yet, and one new point was that the engine can recharge the battery at CHAdeMO speeds, or nearly so.
http://insideevs.com/auto-express-revie ... ent-433107
They claimed 80% within 30 minutes, but didn't demonstrate it. Leave that to the Aussies!
http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-re ... 2_20140404
These guys ran the battery to 'almost zero' by bashing thru the bush on a 'proper' off-road excursion, and then only managed to achieve 70% SOC after an hour. Now if that capability included CHAdeMO export to a BEV, the Outlander PHEV would make the ultimate stable-mate for an I-MiEV or a LEAF! Talk about your conquest vehicle, "ring- Honey, I'm out of charge and I made it to the Nissan dealer, but they locked their gates 5 minutes ago, could you bring the Outlander?" "Sure Dear, but we'll need to park for at least a half hour- good thing the Outlander has fold-flat rear seating!!"
:shock:
Another nice feature was that the the Outlander PHEV has a smartphone app as remote rather than our clunky throwback radio remote.

And the following additional video from down under had slightly different conclusions on the onboard DCFC. http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and-re ... 2_20140404
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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:24 pm

I took a test drive in an Outlander PHEV a week ago. Good build quality, smooth tarmac ride but you could feel the extra weight and sharp edges showed the limitations in the suspension, still obviously a world away from our iMiev though. I found that the central screen looked great and gave good info but was too confusing to use safely on the move.

The bit I liked was the ability to add the data you wanted to the minor screen behind the wheel so you get the info you want in addition to the speedo etc.

The engine kicks in when necessary and doesn't sound particularly nice. Personally I'd prefer a 'notch' in the pedal travel to help avoid activating it but I'm sure with more time would give better familiarity. Of note was the fact that the test car showed an average 4.4litre/100 km rather then their claimed 1.9l/100km (someone better at maths than me could perhaps do a conversion to US mpg).

The rear bench can easily fit 3x 80 kilo adults, although ideally it would be a short trip. The version I drove was the Aspire top spec but the dealer showed us around an LS. I actually prefer the lack of leather and chrome in the LS. The only other things the LS lacks are the remote app connectivity and a sunroof. For AU$5k less that the Aspire I could live with that.

As an alternative long range vehicle to my CRV the PHEV is near ideal, but knowing the iMiev would remain the primary family car means I couldn't warrant the AU$50k price of the LS for a car that would likely travel less than 5000km per year, we are going to stick with the CRV till it becomes uneconomical to retain. For anyone on the fence I would recommend the PHEV without hesitation, as a family SUV it is ideal.

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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:04 pm


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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:34 pm

WyVern wrote: ...Of note was the fact that the test car showed an average 4.4litre/100 km rather then their claimed 1.9l/100km ..l.


In 100 kms, the first 52 made with the battery (12 kwh, only use 70%, 8,4 kWh), the last 48 in "hybrid mode" on a homologation cycle much lighter (*) than the american EPA. That is, 1,9 liter and 8,4 kWh in 100 km.

4,4 l/100 is a very good number in the real world in "gas burner" mode.

(*) Japan JC08, Europe NEDC; I don't know what is the Australian driving cycle
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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:09 am

Australian economy tests use ADR 81/02 (Australian Design Rules) for the combined cycle that gave the 1.9l/km figure.

Agreed that 4.4l/100km is impressive for such a large vehicle. I think more than ever the phrase "your mileage may vary" will be especially true for plug-ins.

I still prefer the overall simplicity of a BEV though...

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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Fri May 16, 2014 10:53 am

So, another InsideEvs scoop, and another PHEV Outlander delay for the USA, due to another new Californica regulation.

http://insideevs.com/california-delays- ... -us-debut/

Interesting that Mitsu is saying they'll be fine without the US market, that 48,000 Outlander PHEV sales will happen this year, constrained only by the recently doubled battery manufacturing capacity. No comment on what that still-limited battery supply will do to i-MiEV production....
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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Fri May 16, 2014 11:39 am

I thought it had been reported MiEV battery production was being moved to another facility.

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Re: Outlander PHEV thread

Fri May 16, 2014 12:51 pm

Mart wrote:I thought it had been reported MiEV battery production was being moved to another facility.
It has, but since they use the same GS Yuasa batteries, the supplies are ultimately fungible. Add in that the Outlander is a far more profitable vehicle, and the pressure to divert cells from i-MiEV production could prove irresistible.

I don't expect JDM i-MiEVs using Toshiba SCiBs (shorter range but more durable when slammed with quick-charge) will be affected, but they don't ship those over here.
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Volvo leapfrogs Mitsu with their XC90 PHEV?

Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:12 pm

http://insideevs.com/volvo-xc90-t8-plug ... erful-suv/

Lots more power and torque, seating for 7, approx 40 km/ 24 miles of EV automony, launching (somewhere) this year...
Sure, Mitsu's Outlander PHEV should beat it on price, but if the Volvo is that much better, and actually offered for sale in the US?....
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2000 Honda Odyssey
1987 F250 Diesel
1983 Grumman Kurbwatt,170 kW, 32 kWh
1983 Mazda RX-7 EV 43 kW 10 kWh
1971 "Karmann Eclectric" EV 240 kW 19 kWh
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Re: Volvo leapfrogs Mitsu with their XC90 PHEV?

Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:34 pm

jray3 wrote:Lots more power and torque, seating for 7, approx 40 km/ 24 miles of EV automony, launching (somewhere) this year...
Sure, Mitsu's Outlander PHEV should beat it on price, but if the Volvo is that much better, and actually offered for sale in the US?....
Well, sure. And what about a Tesla Model X? I'm sure the Volvo can beat it on price, but if the Tesla is that much better . . . There's no end to this game.

For my part, I don't want seating for 7, I don't want more power and torque, and I think the O-PHEV should be offering comparable all-EV range. What I want is room for four adults and their luggage in a vehicle useful for road trips that I can still use as an EV around town. The Volt is painfully close, except for that part about being a useful vehicle.

So yeah, if it's $20k less than the XC90 (as seems likely, though it's hard to be sure given the wildly different pricing strategies MMNA has pursued for Canada vs. the U.S.), if/when it's ever available the Outlander PHEV will hit a pretty big sweet spot. An important risk now is that GM figures this out and puts Voltec in an Equinox instead of a Cruze; MMC has given GM the time they need to do it, but lucky for Mitsu GM is about as interested in EVs as they are in appearing at a congressional hearing.
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