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Something Interesting

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:58 am
by Don

Re: Something Interesting

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:59 pm
by tonymil
I wonder how that would be classified in NY. We have very strict rules about adding any type of motor to a bicycle (tricycle?). It automatically becomes a scooter and needs registration, and if it can reach a certain speed it becomes a motorcycle. I think it's time NY updated its rules. EDIT Actually, scooters are not allowed on public roads. NY is stupid.

Re: Something Interesting

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:07 pm
by garygid
Pedal power and electric motor power,...
Perhaps an electric Moped in many states?

But, three wheels might cause a classification problem
in some states. Perhaps a baby Aptera?

Add more batteries and plug-in charging to
qualify for the $7500 Federal tax credit?

Re: Something Interesting

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:46 am
by MLucas
Love it!

We have lots of 'mopeds' in the Niagara area. The drunks like them because they are classified as a bicycle as long as they don't exceed 32kmh, without a drivers license makes it easy to get to the bar.

Re: Something Interesting

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:24 pm
by nt2w
tonymil wrote:I wonder how that would be classified in NY. We have very strict rules about adding any type of motor to a bicycle (tricycle?). It automatically becomes a scooter and needs registration, and if it can reach a certain speed it becomes a motorcycle. I think it's time NY updated its rules. EDIT Actually, scooters are not allowed on public roads. NY is stupid.


"Motorized Scooter" is, I think, defined in NY as a motor-powered version of a kid's kick-scooter- the device that looks like a skateboard with a handlebar. These are just plain illegal in NY. So are electric-assisted bicycles.

It's important to note that in NY, if it has a motor of any sort and has 2 or 3 wheels, it's a "motorcycle." If there's any hope of seeing this in NY, it has to be equipped legally as a motorcycle (lights, horn, etc), which shouldn't be too hard. However, the manufacturer would have to provide a motorcycle VIN, or the owner would have to get creative in calling it a "homemade motorcycle" which is a possibility in NY.

Organic Transit says it's legal in all 50 states as a bicycle, which is not the case, although their argument is that it's the state's problem...

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/842248593/roll-out-the-elf-to-your-city#IsItRealLegaInAllStatMyStatSaysOthe

What I would call a "motor scooter" like the old Honda Helix as well as classic mopeds and "nopeds"- low speed motorbikes without pedals are classified as Limited Use Motorcycles.

Class A Limited Use Motorcycles are limited to 40mph- motor scooters- these require a motorcycle license to operate
Class B Limited Use Motorcycles are limited to 30mph- more modern "nopeds" and small size scooters. These can be driven without a motorcycle license (automobile license is required)
Class C LUM's are limited to 20mph, are the old Puch style mo-peds that are below 20mph. These can be ridden without a helmet, and no motorcycle license is necessary (auto license is required).

Looks like if the motorcycle requirements could be met, the Elf would be a Class C LUM. Still would have to have a plate (less than 10 bucks a year), although insurance is not necessary.

Looking for a brave volunteer to approach NY DMV!! Not me!

Re: Something Interesting

Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 10:33 am
by Phximiev
Something interesting?

https://youtu.be/uEiJHq1Izwg